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Old 07-18-2016, 06:35 PM   #21
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While I'm procrastinating pulling that toilet off, here's a few pics of the wire routing project.

Here's the original wiring and termination for the windlass.Click image for larger version

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It's all laid out in preparation for pulling.Click image for larger version

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Old 07-19-2016, 06:58 AM   #22
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You're going to hate me by the time this thread is done. The plastic tabs and zip ties are poor hangers for heavy electric cables and hoses. PVC electrical pipe hangers are cheap and much stronger (they look better to). Available from 1/2" to 3" at Lowes or HD.

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Old 07-20-2016, 01:49 PM   #23
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You're going to hate me by the time this thread is done. The plastic tabs and zip ties are poor hangers for heavy electric cables and hoses. PVC electrical pipe hangers are cheap and much stronger (they look better to). Available from 1/2" to 3" at Lowes or HD.



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Hate might be a bit strong... 😀

I'm always open to ideas, and I like this one a lot. I have some nylon one screw hangers, but none big enough. So off to HD I went...

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I'll stop off on the way home and buy more of that size. Which, for the record, was 1 1/4".
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2 year refit of C&L 37 Europa

I had a huge, depressing, recap of the day all typed up but I deleted it. Let me just summarize that today sucked, and after hours of really crappy work I have actually gone backwards. Everything is a mess.

Tomorrow is another day...
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Old 07-21-2016, 08:23 PM   #25
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If it was easy, everybody would be doing it. Mama said there would be days like this. When I had a bad day on my refit, I often looked for a small victory. While there are lots of big jobs, I'm sure you have a punch list of small projects. Pick something simple and go for an easy victory. Maybe you have a door latch that doesn't close without pushing the door up or down. Maybe you have a window or drawer that is hard to open. Take on a small task and come back to the big one tomorrow.

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Apparently there is a time limit on photo attachments. So this is the revised post. See below for the cut and paste version now with working photo goodness.
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Alright. After yesterday's debacle I went home, savored an adult beverage or three, and re-engineered the wire runs. Short day today as I had to do some yard work.

Here's the bowsprit fully varnished. I ended up putting bungs in the old holes and redoing the varnish.Click image for larger version

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Here's both rollers mounted, and the old anchor on the second roller. The chain is temporary for checking the fall.
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And the big part. Here's my solution to the wiring conundrum. That's a 1 1/4" UV stabilized electrical conduit that I custom bent using the heat gun. It terminates down below in an L-box mounted to the bulkhead.
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I had to offset it that much to clear the access door into the chain locker down below. My original plan was to run it straight down and in between the deck and the headliner, but I just couldn't make it work with the framing and bulkheads.

The issue now is that the angle of the sprit has the chain hitting the aft edge of the hole in the windlass base. I may need to figure out some sort of shim to level it out, or grind out the hole. It's anodized, so I'm reluctant to start grinding.
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I had a huge, depressing, recap of the day all typed up but I deleted it. Let me just summarize that today sucked, and after hours of really crappy work I have actually gone backwards. Everything is a mess.

Tomorrow is another day...
Keep the faith. I applaud you taking it on and committing to do it right. I've spent all my weekends over the past 4 months making major upgrades to my DC and AC systems: new inverter/charger, alts, external regulation, switches, breakers, fuses, etc. Pulled a seeming mile of 4/0 and 2/0 cable. Spent a significant part of last Sunday literally standing on my head trying to make some inaccessible connections on an ISOBoost transformer. I keep telling myself it'll be worth the time, money and damage to my body. One of the bigger takeaways for me is that any pros who do quality electrical (or other) work on boats really earn their money.



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If you wish to paint the PVC conduit, I've had very good success with sanding the surface and then several coats of spray paint.

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Keep the faith. I applaud you taking it on and committing to do it right. I've spent all my weekends over the past 4 months making major upgrades to my DC and AC systems: new inverter/charger, alts, external regulation, switches, breakers, fuses, etc. Pulled a seeming mile of 4/0 and 2/0 cable. Spent a significant part of last Sunday literally standing on my head trying to make some inaccessible connections on an ISOBoost transformer. I keep telling myself it'll be worth the time, money and damage to my body. One of the bigger takeaways for me is that any pros who do quality electrical (or other) work on boats really earn their money.

Very nice. When I terminate my big wires tomorrow I'll take a picture of the labeling I do. It's a label from a label maker that's covered with clear heat shrink. Ends get labeled with what they are and/or where they go, and occasionally with notes to myself.
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Old 07-23-2016, 10:45 PM   #31
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So a quick update... The windlass is mounted! The wires are run to the junction, I'll terminate them tomorrow.

I have the hole for the chain conduit 90% drilled. It falls through a stringer, so I have to reinforce that before I put the conduit in. That's total paranoia on my part, as the deck is almost 2" thick up there.

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I put in pieces of hose in as chafe protection from that all-thread. I had to really work to get them in, I'll have to put them on a six month inspection regime.
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The starboard is "sealed" to the sprit with butyl rubber tape, as is the bottom of the windlass. I'll tighten the windlass down a little bit each visit for a while. I managed to heat gall one of the bolts, so I'll grind it off tomorrow and replace it.

Both anchors can deploy independent of each other without interference. I got lucky there. The Bruce will be a backup with 50' of chain and 250' of rode, in the original chain locker. The Rocna will be on 275' of chain below the v-berth. It should be about the same weight as before, just lower down and aft a bit.

I'm pretty pleased with how it turned out. Just a few more hours and it should be good to go.
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Here's the labeling system I use for wiring.
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Old 08-04-2016, 05:58 PM   #33
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Last week my wife came down and we spent the day working on the boat. She did netting for the dog on the foredeck, I did a bunch of little stuff.

The netting is the kind used on golf courses to keep cars dent free.
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I terminated the cables for the windlass and mounted the control box. I also did some more work on the chain conduit.
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My wife really wanted to get the giant Garmin box out of the guest room so family could stay, so I finished the adapter plate and mounted the radome.
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Starboard sure is handy stuff. When I did this project on the sailboat I used G10. It was much harder to work and fabricate, and I had to paint it. Starboard cuts like butter. Just be careful using a hole saw...

We fished the cables down the mast and left them coiled at the bottom.
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The new prop came in. It looks great. It should make a big difference in efficiency.
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I had today and Tuesday off, so I worked on getting rid of boxed parts. I didn't take a ton of pictures, I was kind of in the zone and finishing stuff.

I made the template and then fabricated and installed the chain locker divider. I was concerned that there wasn't a limber hole in the lower locker, but I worried needlessly. I hit it with the scraper and shop vac, and after removing several inches of debris from the bottom, there was a hole there after all.

I mounted the RAM mics. They're up out of the weather.
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I ran the wiring for the RAM mics, and the power and data for the radome. I also removed a bunch of old, disused, wiring.

I had a GMI-10 display that I parted out of our old boat, so I figured I'd mount it up on the flybridge so at least I'd have a depth display up there. I also thought it was kind of silly to have a power socket facing up on the dash where it can fill with water, so I swapped it out for the windlass control switch.
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I have one of the older, original, GMI-10 displays that requires external power. So that required some additional thinking.

But as of today, the instrumentation at the flybridge works, I have both VHF radios available at the flybridge, and the radar works.

The only bummer is that I finally crawled over to lap and service the final three bronze tapered seacocks and wrecked two of them trying to disassemble them. None of the usual tricks worked. I'm going to replace one, remove one, and hopefully that will give me room to rebuild the third.

But, focusing on the positive, I'm feeling really good about the last two boat days. The yard fabricated the bearing holder / shaft log extension and it turned out great. They're installing it now.
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Nice Progress! Keep up the good work.

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I had a few hours after work this morning before I had to be home to take over kid duties, so I snuck over to the yard to get some boat time.

The yard is finishing off the shaft project, and it looks amazing. A bit of project history:

The survey noted that the shaft had corrosion and should be dye tested at the least. The keel was also filled with water, possibly from a leaking shaft log. We pulled the shaft and found a grenade from some PO.

The shaft log on the boat is short, it doesn't go all the way to the end of the keel. The end is threaded, so it most likely had a cutlass bearing holder that threaded on at the time of build. It has long since gone the way of the dodo. When the shaft was removed, we discovered that the cutlass bearing had been cut down and shoved into the keel. Two set screws were run through what was left of the keel sides, and the whole thing was filled with Bondo.
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It's hard to see, but here's the opening. The bearing pretty much just fell out when the little set screws were removed. The yard mechanical guy can't figure out how it didn't just spin itself into oblivion.

So I had the yard fabricate a new bearing holder that would fit into, and properly extend, the shaft log. They really wanted to replace the whole shaft log, but the quote was $12k. Pretty much a non-starter, even if I wanted to.

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It turned out great.

They ended up having to build up the keel a bit as the hole for mounting left about a single layer of glass.
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The nylon spacer is glassed in to give a flat mount for the bearing holder.

Here's everything installed and sealed, waiting for me to put on the new prop.
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This should solve the water intrusion into the keel, the shaft vibration, and the alignment issues. The shaft was flame sprayed and trued, also.

The yard guys have done great work. I sometimes have trouble with paying to have stuff done, but I'm getting more acclimated to it. There are times when it's more cost effective to farm out the stuff I'm not able to easily do to spend my time on the things I can. That's what I keep telling myself, anyway...
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In the few hours I had this morning I finally managed to get the last bronze taper thru hull disassembled. It involved some serious boat yoga, and would have been impossible without the flex ratcheting wrenches. Those wrenches have saved my bacon more times than I can count.

Here's the tapered cone and handle after a good fifteen minutes with the Brasso and before lapping. The seacock grease tub is enough for a hundred lifetimes, but it really is nice. It's amazing how blue and green encrusted the whole thing was.
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That was the last show stopper to launch, which is scheduled for my next week day off, which is Wednesday morning. It feels really good to have the appointment on the calendar.

I also removed the old Benmar autopilot and began removing the wiring. I have a new ComNav 1420 that's been occupying a settee seat for a while now. I brought the book home with to read at work tomorrow, so hopefully I'll be able to get it installed soon.

I planned the locations for the course computer and compass modules. I think the biggest hassle will be routing all the wiring, as the manual recommends neither cutting nor extending any of it.

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Launch got bumped till tomorrow afternoon. The yard asked if I would mind giving my spot to a working boat that had an emergency haul a few days ago. Gladly. I figure that captain operates on a "no go, no dough" model, while I'm just puttering about.

The Rudder is back on. The added wedge looks great.
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I took the opportunity to move the rudder indicator sensor a bit to "calibrate" it. Now it actually reads correctly. I installed and mounted the rudder sensor for the ComNav autopilot. Got lucky on the fit.
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The steering is much smoother. I still need to drain and flush the system, but that can wait.

I mounted the heading sensor from the sailboat, and the fluxgate from the autopilot. The heading sensor is N2K, so that was easy. Works great.

Since I was running the rudder sensor cable forward, I took the opportunity to remove the wire tie anchors and replace them with the conduit straps as previously mentioned by Ted.
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The astute observer will have no doubt noticed the wire nuts on the now removed cord. That was a nifty LED under cabinet light that the PO installed as an engine room light. Unfortunately at some point he sliced the cord, so out came the wire nuts and tape. It's an AC only fixture, so I've removed it. I'll fix the cord with crimped splices and use it with my sewing machine. I have a bunch of LED strip lights that will some day be mounted on the engine area ceiling. Probably about the time I mount them in all the cabinets (as in not anytime soon...)

I finished wiring up the new transducers, and they seem to work. At least, the plotter sees them. I only powered them up for a second, but I did get a return from the ground under the boat. I'll post a few screenshots of the sidescan view if any look good.

I really have to get this boat back in the water so I can stop the financial bleeding of "while it's out" project creep.
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Great job! Rebuilding the shaft log is a great improvement and keeps the water out!
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