Walt .. thats nuts. The 32 NT is a 32' boat w a built in swim step. The actual boat (stem to back of cockpit) is still 32' on the NT. The difference between the 32 IG w a swim step and a 34' NT w a "hull step" is not worth talking about ... unless perhaps you want to talk about boat handling or seaworthyness. You'd like to keep it out of contention as you're afraid it will take home the honors you feel belong to the IG & Halvorson. Since the beam isn't so great on the NT considering them the same size boat makes even more sense.
We should have a pol. I think the IG & H will come out above the NT halving something to do w the cabin arrangement. The NT is a three cabin boat while the IG & H are two cabin. The main salon is bigger and has a much more usable cockpit aft. I, however would MUCH prefer the raised wheelhouse w much greater visibility and separated from the social part of the boat. 32 NT for me. Can I vote twice?
I am curious about the sea keeping abilities of the IG, GB an NT. I have been aboard the IG and GB in various situations but not the NT. I honestly like the looks of all of them but would like to hear from people that have an actual comparison based on time on the water. Has anyone been aboard that can speak to this. Not looking for a hugely technical description but an experience based discussion of the merits of each in head, beam and following seas. I realize there are a myriad of variables in this but topic but it is one of the early statements or questions that come up when talking with people about their boats.
Maybe this is a separate thread. Not trying to hijack here, just add some info t the topic.
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Would like to see that too but I think only small stuff will emerge like the wetness of the GBs, twin engine availability, stability factors re the narrower NT, size of keel, rudder and directional stability ect ect ect. NTs are narrower but their CG may be lower than all the others but who could make that call ???. All are going to pound in big head seas, give their skippers white knuckles in following seas and roll in beam seas far less than Willards and the like. The NT will be more easily driven and economical fuel wise.
To me it's not a "shopping by specs and popularity" but a question of how much do I LIKE what boat. That's the only big and meaningful difference among them unless you throw in some other 32' boats like the 32' Fales. Now you've got some BIG differences to speculate on.
Walt .. I was funn'in you too but I don't think there's anyone here w enough knowledge of the boats mentioned to bring many comparative truths to the surface.
Keith perhaps there's someone here very familiar w the NT and the IG or GB.
A better value from Econo-Trawl is this sleek 32' Super-Displacement Cruiser. Walk around decks, high gunwales, plenty of freeboard, choice of outboards, spacious interior and ATM.
Well, I was going to state the obvious, that the winner had to be the IG 32, being posted on the IG thread and all that..............However, a boat with an ATM, my god that's brilliant. New deck, hang on I'll just pop to the ATM.
When you say the NT is three cabin, do you mean the v-berth forward, plus pilot house, plus saloon? I always considered our boat two cabin: v-berth and saloon.
As for handling, coming from a sailboa the NT does seem rolly. However, we often raft with several much larger boats and everyone is amazed that our boat seems to have the same motion as the other ones. We've been in a large following sea once, and aside from needing to power up a bit, she handled very well. Before we kicked the speed up a couple knots, she was a bit squirrely. That is one benefit of the semi-displacement hull. Although we cruise at 7-8 knots probably 95% of the time, it is nice to know that you can get on step when necessary (WOT for our boat fully loaded is around 15.5). As for head seas, she handles those very well, although with the blunt bow it can be a wet ride. That is where the pilot house and wipers come in hand. As with following seas, if we put her on step, things really calm down and the spray is much reduced.
We came very close to a IG Europa 32 before we found the NT. Loved the layout, large flybridge and side decks. Probably would have put in an offer except we determined that shiping was going to cost a fortune becuase the boat was in the middle of the country. As I recall, the flybridge would have needed to come off for shipping. On the NT, all we had to do was remove the stack, antennas and bimini. She was about two inches below the max with the upper deck rails still on.
We need to get out of the typical trawler box. There's more to boats than NT, GB and IG.
They are all compromise boats built to the standards of an imaginary boat buyer. The ultimate trawler can only be one that will sell the most boats. Committee drawn and specified for the perceived buyer. A guy so average you wouldn't know if you met him of not. Of course a boat like this could never be the ultimate boat. If it was ultimate in some way it would be unacceptable to the average guy it was designed for. One won't meet the ultimate boat anymore than the ultimate woman, house or car. The ultimate would obviously be flawless. If I was to drive the ultimate car somewhere I probably wouldn't be able to remember what it was. Kinda like the ultimate waiter or waitress. Couldn't remember a thing about them but the meal went perfect.
But there's two kinds of ultimate boat. One w no faults and one so wonderful and perfect it would blow all our circuits
So much for fun w early am thoughts but the ultimate boat would only be ultimate for one person. For me I could never have an ultimate boat as I'm too critical and If I thought I had it several moments later I'd be thinking of modifications I'd like to make.
Dimer2 thanks for the out of the box contender but if it were the ultimate it would only be for one person .. perhaps that would be you???
Carolena that's exactly what I'd expect from a NT and yes the fwd berth and head, the pilothouse and the aft salon. Why would you not count the wheelhouse as a cabin?
Before we kicked the speed up a couple knots, she was a bit squirrely. That is one benefit of the semi-displacement hull. Although we cruise at 7-8 knots probably 95% of the time, it is nice to know that you can get on step when necessary (WOT for our boat fully loaded is around 15.5). ...... As with following seas, if we put her on step, things really calm down and the spray is much reduced.
I hope you know that I was just kidding when I wrote about making sure that the IG & Halvo win. I've been on a NT 32, here in San Diego and consider it to be a terrific boat. It's a "tough" looking little trawler and my only gripe is the size of the cockpit. I was pleasantly surprised at the well located hatches to access the machinery. If I lived in the PNW, I'd have one but as previously noted, it would be a 42.
Eric, absolutely agree, 'ultimate' will always be subjective and to each his own....otherwise we would all drive the same car and be wanting to date the same woman.
I am currently looking to trade up and am torn between 'traditional' (Javis Newman), bells and whistles (Carver), bang for the buck (Bayliner - I mean that in the nicest way Kevin!) and that's before looking at drive trains lol.
I think the ultimate boat COULD be selected objectively. The fact that I like a boat would most likely be subjective but but selecting it could be an objective act. And your needs in a woman may not be the same as mine so I would most likely reject your perfect woman. But ther'e are many cheap boats and unselected women. Our needs are all different but similar enough that the universal generic ultimate boat will be sought after my more people than out of the box types. My Willard is almost unusual here even though it's a trawler mostly because it's so slow. So Willy will never be the ultimate boat chosen by most people nor will the Jarvis Newman, Coot or Great Harbor. And in this regard the GB or IG or CHB or Monk ect ect ect are ultimate boats as they as they do so many things so well that their overall and greater sum of the many abilities they have reach higher than most boats.
The fact that I own an out of the box boat (Willard) and am lusting after the well known NT that is in contention for being the ultimate boat seems to indicate that I prop ably don't really know what I want. Better stick w what I've got.
Yes I like your cockpit better than the NT. NT is too high up (the deck). But I love the little seat ... It's position.
Sorry about the mis-quote.
Once upon a time I had the choice between a 32' GB or Island Gypsy, or a 30' Willard. Choose the Willard and put a hard cover over the aft deck. Great boat. Handled some tough conditions in the Gulf and in Lake Michigan.