Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 07-16-2014, 04:01 PM   #1
TF Site Team
 
Janet H's Avatar
 
City: Inland NW
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Pacifica
Vessel Model: Cape Dory
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 1,643
Commercial Classifieds - an improvement for Industry Pros

We have a number of active forum members who are experts in the marine industry and they play an important role here. Often they have extremely insightful posts and regularly offer members the benefit of their expertise; we're really glad to have them here.

Currently our industry "pros" aren't allowed to post links or sales material and often members aren't really sure who they are. A few have approached us about advertising or offering discounts or special buys for forum members but currently we have no marketing program to accommodate this and have not allowed commercial posts in the classifieds. We believe that it's time for a change.

Here's what we have in mind:

A new forum section will be set up specifically for commercial posts just below the classifieds section. Our Commercial members will be able to post info there about their services or sales and have discussions with members that include product pricing, and info. In other areas of the forum there will be no change in posting standards and no commercial activity allowed.

Folks in the marine biz who regularly participate in forum discussions will be be badged as "commercial" so that members can easily recognize them. We will encourage them to place a link in their signature to their business as well as include additional contact information in their Profiles. Only those accounts that have a Commercial label may have this signature link. The Commercial Badge will only be given to those members who have established themselves as regular, participating forum members and if abused, we may remove it.

You can read the full rules here: (link) but here's the short version:
- Accounts will be badged at our discretion
- One commercial link in signature
- Any other contact info must be in profile (but not sig)
- Prices, sales, literature and links may only be posted in commercial posts area
- No bickering with other vendors and no product comparisons
- Username should be non-commercial but we may grandfather in a few well established names
- No logos, etc in avatar images
- Product discussions are allowed in all sections of the forum but only when asked a direct question AND no prices or links

Basically this means that you can't solicit members or post commercial content (except in the vendor forum). You can post some basic product info and offer product information in other sections of the forum only if directly asked. You may not direct members to your website with posts like "see our website for that part."

We hope this arrangement will benefit both regular members seeking info and our industry pros who are interested in raising their visibility.
__________________
Advertisement

Janet H is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2014, 04:18 PM   #2
Guru
 
bligh's Avatar
 
City: Santa Cruz, CA
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Frisky
Vessel Model: 99 Nordic Tug
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 1,097
I think that is great news.
__________________

bligh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2014, 05:33 PM   #3
Guru
 
pilothouse king's Avatar


 
City: St. Lucie VILLAGE -NOT- Port St. Lucie!!!!!
Country: USA
Vessel Model: 15' Hobie Power Skiff w/90hp Yamaha-owned 28 years. Also a 2001 Bayliner 3788 that I took in trade
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 533
This will certainly give the members of this forum the opportunity to have "heads up" on deals coming down the pike. Many times we have trades working, or new listings soon coming on the market that we would like to share with the nice folks first, before the whole world has a shot. Can't hurt that's for sure.
__________________
.
Blake Davis Yacht Brokerage Inc

Yacht Broker/Owner since 1984, Florida License #32
pilothouse king is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2014, 06:33 PM   #4
Guru
 
bligh's Avatar
 
City: Santa Cruz, CA
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Frisky
Vessel Model: 99 Nordic Tug
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 1,097
Since I now have acheived 'guru' status, can you make special forums and badges for us?
bligh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2014, 06:49 PM   #5
Guru
 
City: Hotel, CA
Country: Fried
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 8,328
Quote:
Originally Posted by bligh View Post
I think that is great news.

We think it is too. The Site Team has been discussing this off and on for a couple years now. While we(the mods) all agree there will be a learning curve, overall it should be a positive.

The rules posted that Janet surmised above in post #1 really boil down simply, be nice.
__________________
Craig

It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they've been fooled - Mark Twain
CPseudonym is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2014, 10:58 AM   #6
Guru
 
HopCar's Avatar


 
City: Miami Florida
Vessel Name: Possum
Vessel Model: Ellis 28
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 3,505
What's happening with this? I see a Commercial forum but it just says "never".
HopCar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2014, 11:02 AM   #7
Guru
 
City: Hotel, CA
Country: Fried
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 8,328
Never should refer that there's no thread populating it.

Should be open though and ready to receive.
__________________
Craig

It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they've been fooled - Mark Twain
CPseudonym is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2014, 11:14 AM   #8
Guru
 
healhustler's Avatar
 
City: Longboat Key, FL
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Bucky
Vessel Model: Krogen Manatee 36 North Sea
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 4,181
Quote:
Originally Posted by HopCar View Post
What's happening with this? I see a Commercial forum but it just says "never".
Whatever you do, Parks....don't take it personal.
__________________
Larry

"I'd rather be happy than dignified".
healhustler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2014, 12:19 PM   #9
Senior Member
 
yachtbrokerguy's Avatar


 
City: Fort Lauderdale, FL
Country: USA
Vessel Model: I have keys to lots of boats...
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 469
I am glad to see my username of YACHTBROKERGUY could be grandfathered in. I started using that name on the old Passagemaker website about ten years ago to be obvious of what I do for a living but have not used it to solicit business.
Yes I would like to promote some boats for sale that members here might like.
__________________
Tucker Fallon CPYB
www.yachtbrokerguy.com
yachtbrokerguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2014, 12:42 PM   #10
THD
Guru
 
City: Seattle
Country: US
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 1,142
Janet-I think this is a very good idea. As you have noted, TF has commercial members who are valuable contributors. It is great to give them the opportunity to offer their services and products directly to the TF members. Hope this does not mean that Parks will quit handing out free Cuban coffees though.
THD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2014, 12:47 PM   #11
Moderator Emeritus
 
jwnall's Avatar
 
City: St. Marks, Florida
Country: US
Vessel Name: Morgan
Vessel Model: Gulfstar 36
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 3,621
Quote:
Originally Posted by THD View Post
J Hope this does not mean that Parks will quit handing out free Cuban coffees though.
If I remember correctly, that was grandfathered in. :-)
__________________
John
jwnall is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2014, 01:46 PM   #12
Guru
 
Nomad Willy's Avatar
 
City: Concrete Washington State
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 13,713
The new forum section for commercial selling is a great idea. Could have limited results as TF members are scattered all over the world. When I lived in Alaska I never looked in the classified section for obvious reasons.

But as always I think the commercial links should be kept out of the general posts. One should go to the commercial section to conduct business. I'm positive most of the brokers and other commercial guys here only post once and awhile so as to keep their link constantly popping up. It's like passing out business cards in church.
__________________
Eric

North Western Washington State USA
Nomad Willy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2014, 03:24 PM   #13
Member
 
Gorgewags's Avatar
 
City: Laytonville, CA
Country: USA
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 23
Commercial Access

I think that is a very good idea. As long as the commercial stuff stays segregated and the general population of the asylum isn't subjected to it ala "Clockwork Orange" then it sounds like a win-win. I have found many posts by Yachbrokerguy and Daddyo to be very helpful and informative without pushing anything on anyone, and would certainly be inclined to seek commercial help here before anywhere else.
__________________
Most of my life's been spent boarding, biking, boating and bullshitting--the rest I wasted.
Gorgewags is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2014, 04:17 PM   #14
Guru
 
HopCar's Avatar


 
City: Miami Florida
Vessel Name: Possum
Vessel Model: Ellis 28
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 3,505
Oh Boy! Can I have one of those fancy Commercial Member thingies under my name?
The free Cuban coffee is grandfathered in for any Trawler Forum person who will visit me. Never met a trawler guy I didn't like. Now sailors..... Well they're just a different kind of crazy.

"Whatever you do, Parks....don't take it personal. "
Larry, I thought it meant there never would be a commercial section! I was greatly disappointed.
HopCar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2014, 05:02 PM   #15
Guru
 
City: Hotel, CA
Country: Fried
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 8,328
Eric, change is seldom easy and we only undertake it after much discussion and hand wringing on the part of the Site Team. With the growth of the forum (over 9,000 members now) we had a real problem brewing that we felt would ultimately be best faced before we grew any larger.

The system we chose to deal with it cuts both ways. The commercial members are given more exposure and a place to post free of charge but, they've also agreed to conduct themselves in an appropriate manner in all sections of the forum. It's also subject to the approval of all the mods before they get badged, not just anyone is gonna waltz in hear stinking up the place. If they meet all the other criteria we laid out but are not consistently modeling good posting behavior, no badge. We mods won't allow it because just like everybody else we participate here voluntarily because we like it here.

The no bickering rule is quite important as we've gotten involved in a few incidents lately where more than a couple folks in the thread turned out to have a direct financial interest in the topic. Without a badge the average TF'er hasn't got a clue who some of these players are. In this manner the individual member can decide if they're getting good advice or someone is selling them a load of bull fertilizer.

We are hoping a more open model will clear some of this up and ultimately be a better resource for everybody.
__________________
Craig

It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they've been fooled - Mark Twain
CPseudonym is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2014, 06:50 PM   #16
Guru
 
bligh's Avatar
 
City: Santa Cruz, CA
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Frisky
Vessel Model: 99 Nordic Tug
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 1,097
Quote:
Originally Posted by manyboats View Post
It's like passing out business cards in church.
What?!?
bligh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2014, 09:37 PM   #17
Guru
 
Nomad Willy's Avatar
 
City: Concrete Washington State
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 13,713
Craig,
If the moderators here at this point after considering all the angles still think it's appropriate and positive to have business links in regular posts I'll stand down and never complain about it again.

For those that haven't been around for 4 or 5 years I've complained about the business links on posts for at least that long. This is the time to set it straight and I know these guys well enough to know they have listened to me and will take this from the engine room to the bridge and decide what's best. I also know there are elements here that I'm unaware of that bear in on this so this is the last time I'll make noises that the general population of TF can read.

Bligh,
I lost a teaching job and decided I'd try my hand at selling cars. I worked at a Mercury dealership. The staff at the large school where I worked was 114 teachers. They wanted me to sell cars to as many of my ex-colleagues as possible. They expected me to call these teachers and sell them cars. I'd have none of it and of course lost that job too.
That's my point re the analogy of passing out business cards at church. Hitting someone up in a social environment to do non-social unrelated business and profit from them by stealing their time and taking advantage of their presence where they have no intentions of buying product or services is disgusting. It's an invasion of privacy much the same as telemarketing. It's rude.

That's all I have to say and will never mention it again.
__________________
Eric

North Western Washington State USA
Nomad Willy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2014, 12:08 AM   #18
TF Site Team
 
FlyWright's Avatar
 
City: California Delta and SF Bay
Country: Sacramento, CA, USA (boat in Vallejo)
Vessel Name: FlyWright
Vessel Model: Marshall Californian 34 LRC
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 10,179
As you read through the Commercial Member rules, Eric, you'll see that these issues are addressed as far as we could foresee them. It's an evolutionary process and we're going to tailor it to the needs of the Trawler Forum community.

We in the TF Site Team are always open to suggestions and observations from all members. If you see something you don't think is right or needs a little tweeking, just call it to our attention via PM or post report. If we, the Site Team, agree with you, we'll take action as appropriate. If we see it differently, we'll share that with you and explain why.

The idea here is that we all be given the opportunity to contribute in the areas in which we're best suited. I value the insight and experience of the TF community and I know others do, too. I also know Commercial Members (CMs) can help the community with their knowledge and experience and, at the same time, broaden their customer base. It seems like a win-win if properly managed. No one wants the boards to turn into e-billboards...and they won't. But if the hot topic of the week seems to be failing bilge pumps and some CM decides he wants to offer a special discount to TFers on a quality bilge pump, then we all win.
__________________
Al

Custom Google Trawler Forum Search
FlyWright is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2014, 12:29 AM   #19
Guru
 
HopCar's Avatar


 
City: Miami Florida
Vessel Name: Possum
Vessel Model: Ellis 28
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 3,505
"But if the hot topic of the week seems to be failing bilge pumps and some CM decides he wants to offer a special discount to TFers on a quality bilge pump, then we all win."

Not only that but the CM can't mention the special discount in the bilge pump thread. He can only post it in the Commercial Forum and you don't ever have to go there if you don't want to.

Following this will be my new signature as a commercial member. That's about the only thing that will change about my posts.
__________________
Parks Masterson
www.hopkins-carter.com
HopCar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2014, 02:50 AM   #20
Guru
 
BruceK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 7,570
Rest easy Eric, teething issues are possible, but we will be watching and discussing, we already are, and we are ready to make changes if necessary. Report anything you think is wrong, we will look at it.
__________________

__________________
BruceK
Island Gypsy 36 Europa "Doriana"
Sydney Australia
BruceK is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:11 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2006 - 2012