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Old 08-19-2019, 10:27 PM   #1
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Hi everyone, first post. So... I found an albin 25, been looking for the right fit for a while, kinda fixer upper.

Was repowered with a gray marine gas motor in 93.

Sweet deal, hull is good.

Should I be scared? I could bring her back to diesel for about 5k.
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Old 08-19-2019, 10:32 PM   #2
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IMHO diesel power is a bit of overkill for a 25' boat unless you are going to cruise the hell out of it. If not, you won't recoup the cost of refitting it with diesels.
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Welcome aboard. I like working on my boats. A lot of times I do things not because they make financial sense but rather because I want to do it. If you like the boat whether it has gas or diesel then go for it. After you have had it for a while and you still want to put a diesel back in, then do it. First you have to want the boat. Good luck either way you go.
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Old 08-20-2019, 12:00 AM   #4
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I want the boat. Had never heard of gray marine motors. Now that I've done a little research. The current state makes perfect sense. Anyone have experience with the fuel usage of this boat motor combo?
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Gas versus diesel:

https://www.yachtsurvey.com/GasDiesel.htm
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Fuel consumption in that boat will be negligible. Whether it is gas or diesel it wonít take much to move that boat.
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Old 08-20-2019, 06:24 AM   #7
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I wrote almost a page worth of dispute over most of this article as it gets me going every time I read it.


But as so much is written here that people just blow off/argue or only believe"published" authors or "titled" experts...


I suggest researching way more beyond that article.
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I hear you PSN, especially the article stating most diesel engines have to be rebuilt after 1500 hours! For the newbie, Pascoe is easy reading, but reader beware.
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I wrote almost a page worth of dispute over most of this article as it gets me going every time I read it.

But as so much is written here that people just blow off/argue or only believe"published" authors or "titled" experts...

I suggest researching way more beyond that article.
I agree with you. I know of one brand new boat, gasser, first trip with young son, burned to the waterline in the ICW, not too far from where I dock.

Man bought a replacement boat....... another gasser.
I sure to hope his son has overcome his fear of boats.
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Most boat fires are electrical in nature...mostly DC...but beware of even that statistic.
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Why don't you post some of those "way more articles."
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I wrote almost a page worth of dispute over most of this article as it gets me going every time I read it.


But as so much is written here that people just blow off/argue or only believe"published" authors or "titled" experts...


I suggest researching way more beyond that article.
I really wish people would start referring to Pascoe as the expert of all experts. I would rate the opinions of dozens here on TF above his. Yes, he's published, because he chose to be. Anyone can be. Now we have some great published TF'ers with incredible blogs and some even with books. His opinions are one man's opinion, but on topics like this there are widely varying opinions held by knowledgeable persons.
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I wrote almost a page worth of dispute over most of this article as it gets me going every time I read it.


But as so much is written here that people just blow off/argue or only believe"published" authors or "titled" experts...


I suggest researching way more beyond that article.
See pascoes' data to back up his opinions. I too disagree with much of what he has written.

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I wrote almost a page worth of dispute over most of this article as it gets me going every time I read it.


But as so much is written here that people just blow off/argue or only believe"published" authors or "titled" experts...


I suggest researching way more beyond that article.

Amen,
I like reading Pascoes stuff but gotta read between the line. He is often way negative to the point of providing lousy info. He doesn't mention any of the faults of the gas engine.


There's very few that have regretted their choice of diesel, but there's thousands that regreted their choice with gas. And there's a reason for that.



There are a few boats that diesel just doesn't pair up with real well, like my kayak. And it those cases an outboard makes more sense than a gasser inboard or IO.


And if you can get a diesel for $5K for your boat, that's not bad. You may not out run the gas, but will be significantly more reliable, better range and much easier to maintain.
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Like a lot of opinions...people with different experiences could disagree with your last paragraph like they disagree with Pascoe's....


Too many it "just depends". .


Give me a buyer, an idea of the boats use, an idea of the boat/model, location and a few I can't think of right now.... And I think I could make a good suggestion either diesel or gas. But without a lot of specifics.... "It just depends"....
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Old 08-21-2019, 04:50 PM   #18
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All kinds of options exist, but the decision made by the extremely well qualified engineers that designed the engine as well as the boat, should be overruled only for a good reason.

This is not true for all used boats, many designs are clear compromises, lots of latitude is available, but this boat calls for a heavy compact diesel. Albin 22hp, Volvo md11c or other identically sized will save hours and dollars to install.

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Many boats are nicely designed...but by the time they are built...not so sure great engineering always overides building compromises and shortcuts.
Through the years many great boats have been turned out....many not so great.
Owner modifications can be either complete failures or successes....just depends.
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Hi everyone, first post. So... I found an albin 25, been looking for the right fit for a while, kinda fixer upper.

Was repowered with a gray marine gas motor in 93.

Sweet deal, hull is good.

Should I be scared? I could bring her back to diesel for about 5k.

You can find good well care for 25 on a trailer for around $5000 to 7500. I looked into the 25 and 27. The 27 FC on a tralier are about the same price and go up to $20,000.
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