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Old 03-30-2011, 05:36 PM   #21
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Aren't all coasts wet?
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Old 03-30-2011, 06:05 PM   #22
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OK guys, thanks again.*

I'm on Craiglist looking for a RIB.*
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Old 03-30-2011, 06:44 PM   #23
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The Trinka looks good, particularly if one wants a very rowable boat and avoid the expense/hassle/hazard of an outboard engine and its fuel.* It has two rowing positions to accommodate different loadings.**(Whether I*need or even*want a dinghy is to be decided, however.)
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Old 03-30-2011, 07:13 PM   #24
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Anyone seen those inflatable catamaran dinghies? We have friends that just bought one. They indicate it has a lot more space and goes way faster with the same horsepower. I'd love to get one when the time comes.
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Old 03-30-2011, 09:47 PM   #25
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I was very impressed when I saw the Rigid line at TrawlerFest in ft. Lauderdale. Styled like a RIB, but all fiberglass. Weighs the same or less as a comparable Hypalon RIB, but should last forever. Fiberglass side tubes give great stability (i.e. you can stand on the tube) and tons of storage (lockable) inside the tube. They say it won't scratch your boat, but I'd still put some fenders out. My 2 cents.

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Old 03-30-2011, 10:21 PM   #26
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You can stand on the edge, polyethylene pontoons (no fenders needed), and aluminum bottom.

http://www.bullfrogboats.com/


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Old 03-31-2011, 05:48 AM   #27
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**We are taking Dinghies here.

Your Outboard Motor fails, *you run out of gas ,you left your paddles at home, A dinghy with sails is the way to go. You want fast *get a Porsche.
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Old 03-31-2011, 06:19 AM   #28
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Here is a dinghy for loopers who may be feeling automobile withdrawal.

www.sealegs.com

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Old 03-31-2011, 08:47 AM   #29
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RE: New Dinghy help

Tim:

If you are now looking for a good RIB, how are you going to carry it? If you are planning to use Weaver davits, the total weight of the dinghy and outboard must not exceed the capacity of the attachment points on the dinghy (the weak link). You should use a transom swivel to allow your outboard to swing when the dinghy comes up, so it isn't laying on its side once secured.
If you are hoisting to a level stow on the foredeck or on the roof, only the capacity of your roof or lift is relevant. If regular davits, the capacity of the davits and the strength of their attachment points on the hull are relevant, as are the lift points on the dinghy.
My experience is with:
1 Achiles SE11, soft bottom, 15 hp Merc, on Weavers. 200lb total weight
2 same dinghy, on normal davits. 250 lb total weight (leave the fuel tank and other heavy items in the dinghy)
3 Caribe 10 RIB, 20 hp Yamaha, on normal davits, 350 lb total weight, concentrated at the stern. For this I had to add stiffeners to my davits to stop the flexing of the bulwarks and cracking of the teak caprail.
4 Caribe 12 RIB, 40 hp Honda, on normal davits, 750 lb total weight. For this I had to go to a multi part tackle to raise it. the davits were already stiffened enough. this dinghy had been on a SeaWise from its previous owner, but was far too heavy for that system. Damage to the attachment points at the stern of the dinghy.

Each was the right choice at the time, for the boat and usage we were doing. As we get older and lazier, having a RIB with console steering and speed is now the only way to go, despite the extra effort required to hoist or deploy it. This one my wife doesn't mind going out for a spin, whereas she didn't like getting wet in the other ones, so didn't get much use out of them. Also the extra space makes setting the prawn traps a breeze. I now have a fixed sounder/plotter (borrowed from the flybridge) so can accurately find the best prawns.
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If you are now looking for a good RIB, how are you going to carry it? If you are planning to use Weaver davits, the total weight of the dinghy and outboard must not exceed the capacity of the attachment points on the dinghy (the weak link). You should use a transom swivel to allow your outboard to swing when the dinghy comes up, so it isn't laying on its side once secured.
*Since our boat came with Weaver davits and with our somewhat large swim platform we will stick with that. Don Moon's setup with picture at the beginning of this thread is similar to what we have.*

My dilemma right now is to decide which engine to use. We have two, a 3.5 merc which will not plane any boat and a 8 Johnson which will not really plane anyboat with more than one in it. I really consider the Johnson pretty much useless, it is to heavy to lift off and on the dinghy when it's in the water. The merc is no problem.*

My wife and I are discussing how important a planning dinghy is. We have not done enough extensive cruising to have determined that. The easy answer is to get the biggest and fastest dinghy we can. But I just don't know how we will use our boat and if a fast dinghy is really necessary. We are planing a 2 week cruise to Key West in May and the success or not of that cruise may well determine how we use our boat in the future.

But we need a dinghy before we go so a decision has to be made. We've decided on a $3M budget.*

My preference is to get a used boat and motor like Don got for around $3M and add a Weaver Lever for about $600 more. There are 2 on Craiglist both a Walker Bay inflatable late model with 15 hp Yamaha's. Problem is I'm not sure a Weaver Lever can be mounted on this boat as the Weaver web site advises the Lever is not for use on a Walker Bay. I'm not sure they are refering to the Walker Bay inflatable or hard dink. Got some questions to ask.

Next option is to get a new 10' AB for around $2800 and use the merc. If later we decide we prefer to go fast a larger O/B and Lever can be added.*

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Tim:

If you are now looking for a good RIB, how are you going to carry it? If you are planning to use Weaver davits, the total weight of the dinghy and outboard must not exceed the capacity of the attachment points on the dinghy (the weak link). You should use a transom swivel to allow your outboard to swing when the dinghy comes up, so it isn't laying on its side once secured.
*Since our boat came with Weaver davits and with our somewhat large swim platform we will stick with that. Don Moon's setup with picture at the beginning of this thread is similar to what we have.*

My dilemma right now is to decide which engine to use. We have two, a 3.5 merc which will not plane any boat and a 8 Johnson which will not really plane anyboat with more than one in it. I really consider the Johnson pretty much useless, it is to heavy to lift off and on the dinghy when it's in the water. The merc is no problem.*

My wife and I are discussing how important a planning dinghy is. We have not done enough extensive cruising to have determined that. The easy answer is to get the biggest and fastest dinghy we can. But I just don't know how we will use our boat and if a fast dinghy is really necessary. We are planing a 2 week cruise to Key West in May and the success or not of that cruise may well determine how we use our boat in the future.

But we need a dinghy before we go so a decision has to be made. We've decided on a $3M budget.*

My preference is to get a used boat and motor like Don got for around $3M and add a Weaver Lever for about $600 more. There are 2 on Craiglist both a Walker Bay inflatable late model with 15 hp Yamaha's. Problem is I'm not sure a Weaver Lever can be mounted on this boat as the Weaver web site advises the Lever is not for use on a Walker Bay. I'm not sure they are refering to the Walker Bay inflatable or hard dink. Got some questions to ask.

Next option is to get a new 10' AB for around $2800 and use the merc. If later we decide we prefer to go fast a larger O/B and Lever can be added.*

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*Tim, phone Weaver directly.* They are very helpful.* Don't forget, I'm installing the Weaver arm on the transom to take weight off the tubes.* That with the Leaver arm being supported on the platform will carry about 2/3 of the weight.* I am also installing a ratchet in the overhead for lifting the weight.* All in all, they have a good system.* If it is needed a heavy duty bracket can be attached to the floor near the front snap davit.

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"and a 8 Johnson which will not really plane anyboat with more than one in it. I really consider the Johnson pretty much useless, it is to heavy to lift off and on the dinghy when it's in the water."

Hmmm. I just sold a 1997 8 hp Evinrude 2 stroke (56#). I ran it on my 8'9" Mercury hardbottom and it would plane the two of us (and the 20# dog) but it had to be full bore to get up and relatively calm seas.

Then I tried it out on the 10'4" Achilles I just bought and it planed the boat EASILY with 2 of us and the dog. Less that half throttle we were on plane.

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Tim, a coution if you are choosing Walker Bay. They are the lightest dinghy out there, and that lack of weight translates to tenderness and to lack of capacity for engine weight. A better bet, IMHO, is a heavier built RIB with capacity for a decent sized outboard.
Anecdotally, I watched a guy getting into a WB from the transom of a sailboat, he stepped on the back seat and put the transom under water.
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Tim, a coution if you are choosing Walker Bay. They are the lightest dinghy out there, and that lack of weight translates to tenderness and to lack of capacity for engine weight. A better bet, IMHO, is a heavier built RIB with capacity for a decent sized outboard.
Anecdotally, I watched a guy getting into a WB from the transom of a sailboat, he stepped on the back seat and put the transom under water.
*I would second that in spades. At least for the 8' hard version. No better than a toy in my opinion, after having one for a cruising season. Never again.

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Thanks guys. I'll rethink the 8 hp motor. I didn't think it was a strong enough motor, but it may need to be tuned up and the dink I was on constantly leaked.

Thanks Keith and Conrad about the Walker Bay observations. I only mentioned them because there are 2 for sale that were late models and had 15 hp motors. I'll keep looking.

Don, suncoast inflatables here in Clearwater didn't like the weaver lever. Said it worked but not well. Really didn't say exactly why, and when I pressed he said he actually never installed one. I talked to one of the workers, so I'm going to call Brad the owner and get his opinion. I'll call Weaver directly once a get a line on a inflatable so I can give them model and dimensions.
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Tim, as far as I know the Leaver works as advertised.* It is easy to snstall and use.
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RE: New Dinghy help

One idea is a Nissan or Tohatsu 9.8 hp 2-stroke. This weighs in around 56# and will plane my Caribe 8.5' RIB with 2 people aboard. The Dinghy weighs around 120# or so.

Although these motors are hard to find as they are no longer imported to the USA, you might get lucky and get one on craigslist.

I do use doelfins which makes it pop up noticably faster. It will not plane 3 people, and goes like a bandit with just one.

I sometimes carry it on the swimstep with 2 weaver davits on the tube and one transom arm. I don't use a weaver leaver. It will hold fine that way with the motor sticking out, but we tow the dinghy 95% of the time during the cruising season (PNW).

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