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Old 01-06-2011, 07:25 PM   #21
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Deck Cranes and Dinghy Davits

Thank's Marin. I think I've got an image but don't think it will be very big as it only took about 15 seconds to upload.Yup * ... small. Probably was small on Yahoo.


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Old 01-07-2011, 12:35 AM   #22
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Deck Cranes and Dinghy Davits

I'm not sure I'd welcome the vulnerability of a dinghy hanging from the stern.




I wouldn't want 50-something-foot waves come from abeam or astern.






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Old 01-07-2011, 03:09 AM   #23
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RE: Deck Cranes and Dinghy Davits

Most folks carry a dink in aft davits INSHORE , offshore a different plan is used.

With a condom dink , even with the unfolding hard bottom exploring ashore can be costly.

A hard dink , aluminum seems best, can take the hard knocks of a shale beach or overcrowded dink dock.
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Many off shore boats have a dink and a life raft for emergency quick deployment.* Also most have the dink up high because of the following seas.* We had a life raft but over the years I did not maintain it and will buy a new one when we head north.* I use the shell as storage.
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Mark,
what make/model is that green hulled pilouthouse you just posted? Sharp looking boat!

Regardless of where I store my dinghy, I hope I NEVER see 50' seas except via youtube! *






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Old 01-07-2011, 08:13 AM   #27
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Hey Mark,Thanks for posting that Coot pic again. You're boat would be the best boat for me * *...
even better than a Nordy. I love to see it from time to time. But my all time favorite boat remains the Nordhavn 46.
And thanks for that outrageous pic of that woman having lunch next to those big seas. I see there's nothing in the wine glass * * ...but * but *it's there and unlikely to be glued to the table.
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It looks like the Willard guy has put extensions on those davits. I am considering davits also. Would make my own though. Store bought toooo $$$$


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Hey Mark, ...*thanks for that outrageous pic of that woman having lunch next to those big seas. I see there's nothing in the wine glass * * ...but * but *it's there and unlikely to be glued to the table.
You're welcome, Eric.* For some people, food is the only thing of interest.* As this was the 12th day of the cruise and breakfast menus were unchanging, she should have had the menu memorized by then.* ...* The wine glass was probably one of hundred of such, plus plates, baskets of pastries (it was breakfast)*silverware, and people*in chairs*that ended up on the floor. ... Some of the waves struck the windows, about 50 feet above the ship's waterline.

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*But my all time favorite boat remains the Nordhavn 46.
Wouldn't we all want one.

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markpierce wrote:Wouldn't we all want one.

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nomadwilly wrote: *But my all time favorite boat remains the Nordhavn 46.
Wouldn't we all want one.
Ummm.... no.* With the exception of their older 50' I think all Nordhavn models are very awkward looking from an aesthetic standpoint.* No question they are excellent "passagemakers."* But with the exception of the fifty-footer, they're all ugly as hell in my book.

Another thing*we have not liked about the couple of Nordhavns*we've been on are the relatively small interior compartments.* The boats' interiors*seemed very "cut up" to us.

BUT.... I understand the reasoning for this.* If you are out at sea and the sea gets nasty the last thing you want is to be thrown around (or have things thrown around in) a big, spacious compartment.* So in the context of ocean voyages the Nordhavn's*relatively small compartments and companionways make all sorts of sense.

But since we have no intention of doing any open ocean work (been there, done that, got the T-shirt), there are boats with far better interior layouts for our Inside Passage*requirements.

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Old 01-07-2011, 08:34 PM   #32
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Mike, Marin and O C,The N46 has some issues (I can't recall what they are) but it is the only Nordhavn that is an attractive boat. And to me it's mother of all trawlers. But it actually isn't even a trawler * *..it's a passagemaker. And I prefer trawlers. And if I had the money I'd prolly do just what Mark is doing * * *...building a Coot.
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This is a Nordhavn 50 like the one a couple of docks in from us. I don't know how old this model is or when they stopped making it but to me it's the only one of their boats that I think has decent lines. Not great, but at least decent. The apparent freeboard on all Nordhavn's is too high for my taste but once they started going to the forward slanted windshield panels whatever aesthetics they may have had before completely disappeared in my opinion. But then I think that forward slanting windshield destroy the lines of every boat they're on. I can excuse that with tugs and fireboats and such because there's a reason for it but on little recreational boats like most of us have I think they just look stupid. "Wannabe windows" we call them.
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Old 01-07-2011, 09:06 PM   #34
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Never seen one of doz Marin. You're right it's not bad and not good. There's only one thing I don't like about the N46 and it's more or less fly stuff. Why don't you like it?
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Besides the price and the fact its passage-making attributes are not what we need for the boating we do, I think it's butt-ugly.* It's also a single-engine boat and we prefer twins (or triples but there aren't many of those around )

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Nordhavns are a purpose built boat with supporters galore from the bluewater side and detractors (or just plain envy) galore from the non-blue water side. Of all the Nordhavns, I*like*the 55 or new 63*the best because they can handle big water with a 2 person crew.* NH's have great resale value with fast turn around for a boat too. Not many vessels can claim this distinction.

Vertical windows ? Nah, you don't need them until you start shipping water. Then they are great, gravity works.
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I don't mind vertical windows.* A lot of boats look very good with them.* It's the forward-slanted windows that I think look stupid on boats like ours.* I understand the reasoning behind them but nobody's gonna be taking a SeaSport or an American Tug*or whatever from California to New Zealand except on the back of a freighter.* That's why we call them wannabe windows.

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Mike, Marin and O C,
The N46 has some issues (I can't recall what they are) but it is the only Nordhavn that is an attractive boat. And to me it's mother of all trawlers. But it actually isn't even a trawler ..it's a passagemaker. And I prefer trawlers. And if I had the money I'd prolly do just what Mark is doing ...building a Coot.

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Nordhavens are f'ugly. They remind me of Hummer SUVs, worthless. As far as a passagemaker, if you were going to buy a Nord, take the money and buy a real passagemaker (steel hull).

I run a fair amount at night and my biggest concern is hitting floating debris from cargo ships. Somewhere between 2,000 and 10,000 containers are lost from container ships every year. While most sink, some float because of their cargo. If you are passage making, you are running at night. If I'm going to be days away from help, I want a steel hull with a real collision bulkhead. IMO, if you are not running at night, you don't need a passagemaker.

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Vertical windows ? Nah, you don't need them until you start shipping water. Then they are great, gravity works.
We had the discussion on the slant on pilothouse windows a few months ago.* Forward-slanting windows have several advantages of which I remember three: they provide for a more spacious pilot house, help reduce reflections,*and are better at deflecting water.* Regardless, they are they only type offered on the Coot, and I wouldn't disqualify one even*if I had an aesthetic objection to them.* And what's the big attraction of backward-slanting windows?* Do you want the boat to look like a runabout or speedboat?

Actually, I find the Coot's forward-slanting windows to be attractive.* They are consistent with the boat's hull-lines which emulate those of*a*"working" trawler.

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