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Old 08-19-2012, 07:34 AM   #1
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Interesting Defever 48

1984 Defever Trawler Power Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

I can't really act on this but wish I could. Maybe someone else can--looks like a lot of boat for the $$$$.

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Old 08-19-2012, 11:37 AM   #2
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Yes it does but when you see that it usually means there it's a lot of grief for the money. The listing contains very little detail and as I recall Florida is a place for cheap boats. Generally a weak market.
Likely the only reason anybody looking at this boat will be that they are of the opinion that the owner is so dumb they don't know it's worth or that something bad or unfortunate has happened to them and the've got to dump the boat fast. Or they're trying to keep the wife from getting it in the upcoming divorce. We all have the dream of stumbling into such a deal but these things are rare and I'll bet that DeFever is no deal at all.
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Old 08-19-2012, 01:18 PM   #3
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No ER photos is often a tipoff to why a boat's a bargain. ...and cover up that Bayliner fabric on the helm and salon seats!
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Old 08-19-2012, 01:35 PM   #4
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Does the galley come laid out like this from the factory?Seems cramped on such a large boat.


Am I the only one that thinks this space could be used more productively?
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Old 08-19-2012, 03:02 PM   #5
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No ER photos is often a tipoff to why a boat's a bargain. ...and cover up that Bayliner fabric on the helm and salon seats!

Yep, gotta get that Bayliner fabric out of the salon!!!

Here's a photo of my Bayliners salon, Yuck!!! I dont know how I can live with myself with such icky fabrics!

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I thought we got over that "Bayliner" attitude stuff. And Ksanders, your "boat" is drop dead gorgeous. It looks so soft I would think one's voice would get absorbed in all the carpets and padding. In contrast my salon deck/floor is painted plywood. Perhaps the right kind of carpet would antinuate the sound/noise better than just plywood. I spent a bit of time on a boat like yours and liked it a lot. The boats name "Jericho" in the PNW. The wheelhouse was, as the girls say, "to die for". Keep on B-Line'in.
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I thought we got over that "Bayliner" attitude stuff. And Ksanders, your "boat" is drop dead gorgeous. It looks so soft I would think one's voice would get absorbed in all the carpets and padding. In contrast my salon deck/floor is painted plywood. Perhaps the right kind of carpet would antinuate the sound/noise better than just plywood. I spent a bit of time on a boat like yours and liked it a lot. The boats name "Jericho" in the PNW. The wheelhouse was, as the girls say, "to die for". Keep on B-Line'in.

Thanks!!! I do get a kick out of the whole "bayliner" thing.

Now that there are two active members with Bayliners, picking on them just isn't as much fun anymore.

Kinda like in junior high when you realized too late that the short fat kid you'd been picking on was a kung fu champion.

This might sound funny but the upholstery on my boat is a little too "soft" for my liking. We bring our dogs onboard and I'm always covering it up to keep it nice.
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Old 08-19-2012, 03:55 PM   #8
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Interesting indeed. I like DeFever designs but this one is interesting. I like the covered side decks and cockpits of europa and pilothouse designs, but I think it looks out-of-place on an aft cabin.

To me the price doesn't seem to be abnormally low to suspect that something is wrong with it. The price probably reflects the boats age and the economy. I would guess that this boat is neither a cherry or a junker.
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I thought we got over that "Bayliner" attitude stuff.
Right... So let's start raging on SeaRay's. I don't think any member own a Sea Ray. Gosh, those boats really suck. The interweb tubes say so.
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Greetings,
Hey! How do you know I don't have a SEA RAY....


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Right... So let's start raging on SeaRay's. I don't think any member own a Sea Ray.

I think you're wrong about that! How about Budd's Outlet? Anymore?
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I always thought Sea Rays existed so Bayliner owners had someone to feel superior to.

That forward cabin layout on the 48 Defever is a loser for us. I've seen a similar layout on a 4788 Bayliner and I hated it there too. The galley looks like a standard Defever mid-cabin layout. Despite what some of us might like to believe, the pricing is likely realistic - that's a fairly well equipped boat but the electronics are old. When we were looking I didn't see a 48 layout that I liked. If we ever upsize it will likely be to a 44+5.
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Old 08-19-2012, 08:05 PM   #13
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Excuse reversion to thread, the Defever looks tired. For a start the exterior is really dull and I doubt it`s just the pics, minimum is a full polish, more likely a respray, which won`t be cheap. Inside layout is not so bad for a family,there is a good cabin for the adults and you can stash the progeny in the vee cabin. But I doubt it`s a bargain. BruceK
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Old 08-19-2012, 10:52 PM   #14
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I always thought Sea Rays existed so Bayliner owners had someone to feel superior to.
Thats funny! Actually you'll probably never hear a Bayliner owner trying to feel superior to anyone. We just want to have fun in out boats. Its very rare to find a Bayliner owner knocking another boat brand. All boats are good! I say this all in jest because I know you really have to be kidding.


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That forward cabin layout on the 48 Defever is a loser for us. I've seen a similar layout on a 4788 Bayliner and I hated it there too.

Actually the Defever 48 has the master aft.

The Bayliner 4788 has the master forward, completely different design.
The 4788 has a stateroom that has bunk beds but thats where the similarities end.

Both are good designs (for those that like them) but the only real similarity is that they both are 48'

On the subject of the original topic of this thread. When we were looking at 48' boats $119K was on the low end price wise, but certainly not fire sale pricing. For a fair condition boat which the one in the ad looks to be $119K is really not all that cheap.
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Actually the Defever 48 has the master aft.
I'm well aware of that. What I said was "That forward cabin layout on the 48 Defever is a loser for us." because it is IMHO a stupid waste of space chopping the forward area into 2 cabins.

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The Bayliner 4788 has the master forward, completely different design.
The 4788 has a stateroom that has bunk beds but thats where the similarities end.
Well you should know because you have one but that's not how I remember the layout on the one we looked at. Evidently it wasn't a Bayliner.
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Sorry I turned this into a Bayliner/Searay dissing thread. My comment was only directed at that horrible floral fabric that Bayliner seems to think their buyers want. I'd have thought that somewhere along the way they might have chosen a little more appropriate design.
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"$119K was on the low end price wise, but certainly not fire sale pricing."
Have you ever seen one cheaper? 75 to 90K? Perhaps I'm not well informed. I spent a lot of time on Yacht World but was shopping for smaller boats. Still seems very cheap to me and evidently John thought so Per the OP.
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"$119K was on the low end price wise, but certainly not fire sale pricing."
Have you ever seen one cheaper? 75 to 90K? Perhaps I'm not well informed. I spent a lot of time on Yacht World but was shopping for smaller boats. Still seems very cheap to me and evidently John thought so Per the OP.

When I was shopping for boats in the 45-50' range last summer I saw lots of 1970's to early 80's boats in that general price range and going up from there.

I specifically remember a pristine 48 Meridian (the 1970's one) for $125K that sold right away, and a 40 Willard for $50K that was a real project boat. Some were on Yachtworld, and some were on Craigslist.

So, my general feeling is that a "fair" condition 1970's to early 80's 40-50' boat will be listed in that price range. Ones listed higher tend to stay on the market forever.

Of course condition is everything and better condition boats tended to be listed higher, sometimes double or more that price.

BTW, I just did a TW search nationwide for trawlers or pilothouses in the 46-49' range and got pages of boats for <$100K

As far as brands go, I haven't seen the defevers being priced in general at a premium over other TT's of that era. Its all about condition in a 30-40 year old boat.
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Sorry I turned this into a Bayliner/Searay dissing thread. My comment was only directed at that horrible floral fabric that Bayliner seems to think their buyers want. I'd have thought that somewhere along the way they might have chosen a little more appropriate design.

I agree some of the original fabrics I've seen from the 80's boats had some nasty patterns.
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This still could be a good buy, for someone looking for a 48 Defever.

I kind of like the unique look of the boat. The price is only the asking price. Florida generally has more sellers willing to deal-- perhaps this one could be had for 75-85k.

A lot of Yachtworld prices are not as realistic as this one-so I think the owner is serious about selling.

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