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Old 10-15-2018, 01:57 AM   #1
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I have 79 40ft DeFever Downeast model bought it with one 130hp perfectly running Perkins engine the other engine was missing bought rebuilt same engine now itís sitting on dock next to boat has anyone ever installed new engine into one of these and how did you get it in the engine room any input will be helpful trying to get game plan on installation of new engineClick image for larger version

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Old 10-15-2018, 07:06 AM   #2
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If there is a dry stack marina nearby, get the engine in a pickup truck or on a trailer and take it and the boat to the marina. They have forklifts with very long forks that can pick up the engine and load it through an aft door. Then once in the boat, you can make a timber frame to make a rigging point and then lower it to its bed. Some marinas and mechanic shops have alloy A-frames at hand that you could borrow.

You could also make a temporary timber frame that spans from the dock to the boat and alternate hoists to "walk" it across the length of the beam.

You can hire a crane, but looking at your pic it might not be able to get close enough unless you hire a big one, and that is $$$.

Service boatyards can haul the boat, and then while still in the slings use a small crane, forklift with extension, boom truck, etc, to load engine into boat while using the slings to adjust boat position/angle to get the best loading. This method is the cat's meow.

If you need yard work like bottom paint, go ahead and do the haul and knock out both the engine loading and the yardwork, incremental cost for engine load is minimal then.
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Old 10-15-2018, 08:25 AM   #3
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Nice moorage Harley. Go LSU!

In addition to Ski's spot on guidance be sure to measure engine, doors and hatches well in advance of planned installation. That will insure the engine fits with no engine tear down or interior wood work removal.

With the engine currently out any additional work that could be done such as bilge painting, fuel/electric line cleanup or tank replacement?
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Also a good time to look at tanks, engine mounts, paint etc. It sounds like you need a consultant of sorts, like Ski suggests an all-singing all-dancing boatyard.
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Old 10-15-2018, 09:53 PM   #5
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Ok guys I appreciate all advice engine room all painted rebuilt 10kw Isuzu gen set rewired all let me explain lil better for one there is only two side doors opening 20 1/2 inches wide companion hatch down into master stateroom won’t work engine tore down I can get it to 19 inches wide has anyone ever got one through door opening or should I try sideways through window I am anxious to pull trigger but would like to talk to someone who has actually installed a new engine in a 40ft DeFever once in side of salon I got it no problem trying to figure best way to get it in.
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You could ask the PO how the bad one came out. Though maybe they cut it up first.
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No I canít because he donít remember he even owned a boat Alzheimerís got him in bad way
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If there is a dry stack marina nearby, get the engine in a pickup truck or on a trailer and take it and the boat to the marina. They have forklifts with very long forks that can pick up the engine and load it through an aft door. Then once in the boat, you can make a timber frame to make a rigging point and then lower it to its bed. Some marinas and mechanic shops have alloy A-frames at hand that you could borrow.

You could also make a temporary timber frame that spans from the dock to the boat and alternate hoists to "walk" it across the length of the beam.

You can hire a crane, but looking at your pic it might not be able to get close enough unless you hire a big one, and that is $$$.

Service boatyards can haul the boat, and then while still in the slings use a small crane, forklift with extension, boom truck, etc, to load engine into boat while using the slings to adjust boat position/angle to get the best loading. This method is the cat's meow.

If you need yard work like bottom paint, go ahead and do the haul and knock out both the engine loading and the yardwork, incremental cost for engine load is minimal then.


Thanks no back door just two side doors the helm seat is in way on one side so was going to pull boat side ways in front of dock on other side only have 1 1/2 inch to play with do you think possible while still in water
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thanks no back door just two side doors the helm seat is in way on one side so was going to pull boat side ways in front of dock on other side only have 1 1/2 inch to play with do you think possible while still in water


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This side is my only hope I guess
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thanks no back door just two side doors the helm seat is in way on one side so was going to pull boat side ways in front of dock on other side only have 1 1/2 inch to play with do you think possible while still in water
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[QUOTE=Ski in NC;706720]If there is a dry stack marina nearby, get the engine in a pickup truck or on a trailer and take it and the boat to the marina. They have forklifts with very long forks that can pick up the engine and load it through an aft door. Then once in the boat, you can make a timber frame to make a rigging point and then lower it to its bed. Some marinas and mechanic shops have alloy A-frames at hand that you could borrow.

You could also make a temporary timber frame that spans from the dock to the boat and alternate hoists to "walk" it across the length of the beam.

You can hire a crane, but looking at your pic it might not be able to get close enough unless you hire a big one, and that is $$$.

Service boatyards can haul the boat, and then while still in the slings use a small crane, forklift with extension, boom truck, etc, to load engine into boat while using the slings to adjust boat position/angle to get the best loading. This method is the cat's meow.

If you need yard work like bottom paint, go ahead and do the haul and knock out both the engine loading and the yardwork, incremental cost for engine load is minimal
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If there is a dry stack marina nearby, get the engine in a pickup truck or on a trailer and take it and the boat to the marina. They have forklifts with very long forks that can pick up the engine and load it through an aft door. Then once in the boat, you can make a timber frame to make a rigging point and then lower it to its bed. Some marinas and mechanic shops have alloy A-frames at hand that you could borrow.

You could also make a temporary timber frame that spans from the dock to the boat and alternate hoists to "walk" it across the length of the beam.

You can hire a crane, but looking at your pic it might not be able to get close enough unless you hire a big one, and that is $$$.

Service boatyards can haul the boat, and then while still in the slings use a small crane, forklift with extension, boom truck, etc, to load engine into boat while using the slings to adjust boat position/angle to get the best loading. This method is the cat's meow.

If you need yard work like bottom paint, go ahead and do the haul and knock out both the engine loading and the yardwork, incremental cost for engine load is minimal


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This is why canít use this door
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This is my only hope tight tight squeeze with a 1 ton motor lol any more suggestions I am open to all
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If it would fit through the side door, then remove the seat. I had a fuel tank replaced in a previous boat and had to cut the back of the master stateroom out to get the new tank in after we reglassed the panel back, painted it you could not tell it was ever cut. You have to do what you have to do. Sometimes is is a lot of work but there it is.
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Mr. H. Golly. Not too many options other than what Mr. C suggests. Only other things I could think would be remove a window and crane it in on it's side or cut a hole in the roof and drop it in from the top. 1 ton is is a goodly weight.
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Engine installation

Check out this guy. This vid show how he got a Perkins 6 out and the next vid shows how he got a Perkins 4 in - through the window from the dock, while in the water.

Heís also a highly skilled carpenter and his series is entertaining to watch.

https://youtu.be/w80bcj_kRMg
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Take whatever coolers, alternators, starters, filters, manifolds, etc, off engine as needed to get it skinny. 1 1/2" of clearance is plenty, provided you measure very carefully. You can make a wooden jig out of 2x4 that is the same gap as your door opening and make sure you can guide the jig down the whole length of the engine.

I don't like doing this in the water dockside as tides and wakes play havoc with rigging. Can be done, but be super careful. An engine getting loose can do a lot of damage to it, boat and people.

If you want to use the side door (and that is the way I would try) consider moving everything to a dry stack marina and renting their fork truck. Usually $100 covers it as long as you don't hold them up.
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