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Old 10-06-2011, 02:33 PM   #21
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RE: 43 Defever flips and sinks on Ten-Tom waterway

Does anybody know what the law is regarding a boat that causes damage by blowing by you and waking you causing damage to your boat or injury to those aboard .

*Especially passing without warning i.e. calling on the radio or sounding a horn.

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Old 10-06-2011, 03:54 PM   #22
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RE: 43 Defever flips and sinks on Ten-Tom waterway

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Does anybody know what the law is regarding a boat that causes damage by blowing by you and waking you causing damage to your boat or injury to those aboard .

*Especially passing without warning i.e. calling on the radio or sounding a horn.

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Its been long well established in case law that a boat is liable for damages caused by its wake. It was one of the first cases I learned in law school but, for the life of me, i can't remember or locate the citation to the case. It involved one of the big Long Island Sound "commuter" yachts in the early 1900's. I'll go check my copy of "Yachts in a Hurry" to see if I can find the cite.

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Old 10-06-2011, 04:27 PM   #23
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RE: 43 Defever flips and sinks on Ten-Tom waterway

Wel, I can't find the cite, but here's a picture of the boat, Tarantula, that caused the lawsuit.
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Old 10-07-2011, 02:56 PM   #24
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RE: 43 Defever flips and sinks on Ten-Tom waterway

Hey,

Did you guys catch the name of the boat that sank?

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Old 10-07-2011, 07:40 PM   #25
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RE: 43 Defever flips and sinks on Ten-Tom waterway

I strongly disagree with the towing the dink is safer idea, it's an accident waiting to happen. A deck or flybridge stowed dingy is very safe. We have a Boston Whaler 11 with a 35hp two stroke on the fly lifted by a crane. It is securely tied down with ratchets in a custom cradle. Remember these are self deploying when the boat sinks We also have a 6-man life raft in a canister on the foredeck just for good measure.
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Remember these are self deploying when the boat sinks
*I used to think that, too, until hearing a presentation by the USCG that included this very topic.* Boats do not sink in picture-postcard manners.* They roll over, they pitch vertical (bow up or bow down) they do all sorts of nasty gyrations on ther way below the surface.* Sometimes the boat comes down on*or drags down the dinghy that has fallen off of it.* The point was that dinghies don't just float free an bob nicely waiting for you to climb aboard.* They usually end up with severe damage (they said), upside down, and often end up sinking themselves or become totally filled with water to the point where all that's holding them near the surface is their floatation.* If the dinghy has a motor, the motor usually causes the flooded dinghy to "float"*almost vertically in the water, rendering it near-useless.

In warmer waters, the flooded, upside down or even vertically floating dinghy is at least something to hang onto.* But in northern waters, if you can't get into the dinghy and get out of the water, hypothermia is only minutes away.

This is why I have come to agree with the folks I've met who take the position that if you can't get your dinghy into the water in a position in which it can be used in one minute or less, it's not suitable for use as a lifeboat.

Obviously if one carries a purpose-designed raft that can be jettisoned easily or automatically, then it doesn't matter how long it takes to get the shoreboat into the water--- you won't need it.* But I've watched a lot of people lowering dinghies from boat decks or aft cabin tops.* It's a slow, slow process even in the best of conditions.* Try to envision doing this in rough water, at night, with the boat on fire.*And what happens if the power to that nice power davit on the boat deck fails?

As convenient as carrying a dinghy on a cabin top or boatdeck is in terms of space usage, it's something we will never do with any configuration of boat we may own unless we have a boat large enough to also carry a*fast-deploy survival raft.


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RE: 43 Defever flips and sinks on Ten-Tom waterway

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Did you guys catch the name of the boat that sank?

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*Tony had said that a trawler named Moonstruck was tied*at the end of his dock.* It could well have been that one.* I have met and passed many tows on the river with no problems.* Even in the curves if you communicate with the captain and he knows your intentions.* Usually passing on the inside of the curve will give plenty of room for the tow to swing.* The outside is usually the deepest water.* It is hard to imagine what situation caused that boat to flip.
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Old 10-08-2011, 10:52 AM   #28
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RE: 43 Defever flips and sinks on Ten-Tom waterway

if you can't get into the dinghy and get out of the water, hypothermia is only minutes away.

Unless of course you are prepaired for cold water and carry survival suits for all aboard.

No big deal when its just for 2 people.
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Old 10-08-2011, 11:19 AM   #29
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RE: 43 Defever flips and sinks on Ten-Tom waterway

Good points Fred. Also one needs to be ABLE to get into the survival suites fairly quickly. Ours are difficult to put on and under extreme stress * ....could be a problem. I recommend everyone try on their survival suites once a year.
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Good points Fred. Also one needs to be ABLE to get into the survival suites fairly quickly. Ours are difficult to put on and under extreme stress * ....could be a problem. I recommend everyone try on their survival suites once a year.


I don't know how much they cost, but the below style of survival suit is much easier to put on than a gumby suit
http://www.mustangsurvival.com/profe...n=professional

We had both styles on the fire engine, the fng always got the gumby.

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RE: 43 Defever flips and sinks on Ten-Tom waterway

I hate acronyms and have no idea what fng is. It looks like that suit linked has little or no insulation. That could be the price to pay for the easy to put on feature. We have the "foam neoprene" type and they ARE hard to get on. Chris (wife) dosn't like the suit at all but I think they probably give good protection in the water when and if you get there w it "on".
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Old 10-08-2011, 04:25 PM   #32
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Fighting windmills?

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Old 10-08-2011, 06:11 PM   #34
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They are warmer than the gumbys by far. some those styles have a quilted liner
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"Fighting windmills?"

Desperate for relevance?
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Old 10-11-2011, 07:01 AM   #37
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RE: 43 Defever flips and sinks on Ten-Tom waterway

I am interested in how this Defever capsized. I have followed many tows before and wake has never been a problem. They can sometimes creat quite a turblance behind them. Asides from bottoming out from the water getting pushed out by the tow I just dont see this happening. Also the first reports I got of this, it happened at mile 217 which is by Demopolis Yacht Basin but the water should still be a lot deaper there because of the lock.
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RE: 43 Defever flips and sinks on Ten-Tom waterway

Some river rats put oversize dinghy (ski boat?), outdoor kitchen, freezer etc up top and destroy CG such that a gentle wave will roll them. I boated for many years on the Mississippi and can well believe a tow boat wake would roll a top heavy cruiser, especially if wake opposing current.
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Good points Fred. Also one needs to be ABLE to get into the survival suites fairly quickly. Ours are difficult to put on and under extreme stress * ....could be a problem. I recommend everyone try on their survival suites once a year.
*

I don't know how much they cost, but the below style of survival suit is much easier to put on than a gumby suit http://www.mustangsurvival.com/profe...n=professional We had both styles on the fire engine, the fng always got the gumby.

-- Edited by Badger on Saturday 8th of October 2011 12:09:19 PM

*Those are work suits they won't keep you alive very long in northern waters the gumby suit will. End of story.

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This is the one I meant, and they are BETTER than a gumby, but far more expensive

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