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Old 02-08-2015, 05:00 AM   #41
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Well, the N40 is definitely out, thanks to all for your input. Thank you very much for helping me with that.
So that brings the size to the high 40s...
Now for the boat. I am going to discuss with my husband the expansion of our focus to other models.
I know for sure we will not be doing any blue water cruising as that was my requirement when we embarked on this journey I have seen too many movies ha ha
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Old 02-08-2015, 09:20 AM   #42
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As brought up by others, check out the DeFever line. Headroom, storage, quality and sea keeping ability abound. This thread started out with a simple question and has now evolved into a free for all. Good for us regulars here as it creates excitement, but not good for the serious boat shopper.

Per chance you could define the playing field by stating a few simple wants such as:

Size range
Budget
Cruise speed
Maximum speed
Cruising range
Number of heads
Size of ER
Access to ER, opening a door vs lifting hatches
Number of staterooms
Covered fly bridge
One engine, one engine plus get home or twins

Last but not least, does your husband know we are spending his money.
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Old 02-08-2015, 09:41 AM   #43
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Hi sunchaser:
My husband is blissfully ignorant about how you are spending his money, but he will know soon.
Thanks for your interest.
I have reproduced your list with answers below
Size range high 40s
Budget: not established but maybe 500k, or a lot less
Cruise speed: 6-7
Maximum speed: 8
Cruising range: East Coast, close to the coast
Number of heads: 2
Size of ER: we would like a stand up engine room, easy access
Access to ER, opening a door vs lifting hatches : opening a door
Number of staterooms: 2
Covered fly bridge yes
One engine: one engine plus get home or twins single engine with 1 get home
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Old 02-08-2015, 10:02 AM   #44
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Now I see why a N47 is high on your list. But $500K is down a bit from where the better ones will sell for. All the DeFevers will have twins (a positive in my opinion ), but otherwise fit your criteria. Another consideration - Selenes - their listed high prices do not always match the sale price.

With all used vessels, fix up costs can blow your budget. Try to find one that is already close to the way you want and in the long run may be the best buy.

Nice to see an Admiral that knows her stuff.
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Old 02-08-2015, 10:17 AM   #45
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Thanks sunchaser. We will look at those. All thoughts very much appreciated. What a great community.
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Old 02-08-2015, 12:27 PM   #46
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Maintrawler, I'm going to take this a little different direction for you.

Here are some of the common trade offs necessary to fit everything in a boat. As you learn about boats you'll find that generally its one or the other for these things.

Do you prefer...

* A covered cockpit, or an open to the sky cockpit

* The galley to be up near the salon area or down away from the salon area

* The lower helm to be in a room by itself, or the helm to be in the salon area

* How many bedrooms do you want? (remember to include some room for storage)

* How many bathrooms (probably safe to assume 2 bathrooms)

* A larger salon, or large side decks (larger side decks can make it easier to dock but a larger salon is well...Larger).

* A cockpit at basically the water level or is it OK to climb stairs to get on and off the boat. (very important if you have a dog).

* A flying bridge helm with a place to comfortably sit up high?

* If you want a flying bridge, do you need stairs or will a ladder be acceptable? (remember the pets, or mobility issues here?)

* Is your budget an amount you prefer to spend on a boat, or is it an amount you'd be comfortable spending but you'd prefer to spend less if it still meets both your functional and aesthetic needs?

Answer these questions and the boat type, and the size will pretty much pick itself.
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Old 02-08-2015, 01:22 PM   #47
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Hi again ksanders:
Thanks for the list. We would prefer:
a covered cockpit
a galley near the salon
the helm it its own room
2 bedrooms/2 baths
side decks would be great, wouldn't mind a reduced salon
a cockpit at water level (our English bulldog is on the heavy side)
A flying bridge helm with a place to comfortably sit up high, stairs preferred
our budget is an amount we'd be comfortable spending but if we could spend less and get what we want well now that would be great!
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You can't touch a 47 with a 100' pole with a budget of 500 and less.
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Old 02-08-2015, 01:57 PM   #49
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Alas...but we are looking at other boats now too
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Torn between N40 or N47

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You can't touch a 47 with a 100' pole with a budget of 500 and less.

Correct. I wrongly figured their budget was $600k-$700k range.

But a late model Defever might make it into their budget....
http://m.yachtworld.com/mobile/boats.../United-States

Of maybe a Selene?
http://m.yachtworld.com/mobile/boats.../United-States

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Old 02-08-2015, 02:10 PM   #51
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I also enjoy virtual boat shopping! I am going to check out those boats cardude01
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Hi again ksanders:
Thanks for the list. We would prefer:
a covered cockpit
a galley near the salon
the helm it its own room
2 bedrooms/2 baths
side decks would be great, wouldn't mind a reduced salon
a cockpit at water level (our English bulldog is on the heavy side)
A flying bridge helm with a place to comfortably sit up high, stairs preferred
our budget is an amount we'd be comfortable spending but if we could spend less and get what we want well now that would be great!
OK, from the features you prefer...

You're after a Raised Pilothouse design with a Flying bridge.
In order to fit your liveaboard needs and just knowing the tradeoffs of the raised pilothouse type boats its safe to guess that something in the mid 40' range and on up would work.

Since your cruising areas do not require ocean crossing capabilities then you can go on Yachtworld and do a search for pilothouse style boats. See what you like. Look at the cheapest, to the most expensive.

The only caveat you have here is the desire for a stand up engine room. The reason I say that is there are only a few <50' raised pilothouse design boats that have that feature. The reason for that is simple, it is a design trade off.

If you think about it, in order to have a stand up engine room you have to make room for it. One method is to raise the salon deck up. Since in a raised pilothouse boat the engine space is generally beneath the salon this makes sense.

Another method is to deepen the hull which increases draft.

Yet another method is to move the pilothouse aft and have the stand up part of the engine room beneath the pilothouse. This design can make for a much smaller salon though.

Its all a trade off. Is a stand up engine room a desire above all else, or is it a desire that can be compromised?

Another thing to consider is if you want the option of cruising faster than hull speed. Going at hull speed is nice, and it is necessary for ocean crossing. I can say that having the option to cruise faster in certain situations is very nice as well. For example if you want to make a specific anchorage, or marina by nightfall.

You have enough information to look at boats and see what you like. You might be drawn to the Nordhavn boats, you might not.

Whatever boat you choose, having it be a natural choice based on your intended mission will mean its the right boat for you.

I would not feel pressured to spend your entire budget on a boat unless thats what you want to do. I personally know of several TF members that could have purchased much more expensive boats than they did. They didn't chose their boats based on a need to spend budget amount. They chose their boats based on their requirements, and the budget worked itself out.

This is going to sound cliche but the view is just as nice from a hundred thousand dollar boat as it is from a million dollar boat. We all share the same anchorages.
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ksanders I really like this cliche, had not heard it: "the view is just as nice from a hundred thousand dollar boat as it is from a million dollar boat. We all share the same anchorages. "
I enjoyed reading your comments. They certainly give me a lot to think about and now I am researching anew. We have definitely widened our search. Thanks - millions
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You can't touch a 47 with a 100' pole with a budget of 500 and less.

Yup, N47 requirements with an N40 budget.
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budgets: such pesky things
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I know. And we were having so much fun spending your money :-)

Seriously through, I think you are getting a lot of good advice. Just try not to be rushed. It takes a while to process it all, and your requirements list will likely evolve as you see more boats and think more about what matters to you, and which tradeoffs you are willing to make.
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MT-I am surprised no one has mentioned Krogen to you. Have to admit I am biased, owning one, but for what you are intending, the 48' KK may be a good option. Same capabilites as the Nordy but to me, much more liveable interior. Plus, a few (sometimes very few!)$$ less expensive. I don't know your budget but there is even an almost new 52' on the market.
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MT-I am surprised no one has mentioned Krogen to you. Have to admit I am biased, owning one, but for what you are intending, the 48' KK may be a good option. Same capabilites as the Nordy but to me, much more liveable interior. Plus, a few (sometimes very few!)$$ less expensive. I don't know your budget but there is even an almost new 52' on the market.
With a budget of 500k, she'd be looking at a 48 whaleback or a late 42 ...both capable boats in blue water as well.
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MT-I am surprised no one has mentioned Krogen to you. Have to admit I am biased, owning one, but for what you are intending, the 48' KK may be a good option.
KK displayed a Sydney TF member`s 48 at a recent boat show. Lovely boat,very desirable.
Mainetrawler, try separating your "wants" into "must haves" and "would likes". And do it in writing, it concentrates the mind, an aid to problem solving. Don`t be surprised if items migrate between lists.
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Nordhavn Dreamers group

In addition to the fine folks here at Trawler Forum, may I suggest that you join the Nordhavn Dreamers group over at Yahoo Groups for additional information on Nordhavns. Many Nordhavn owners, past and present, can answer your questions over there.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NordhavnDreamers/
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