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Old 10-19-2009, 11:22 AM   #1
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I've lurked for long enough, and love this site.* My wife and I would like to move up to a trawler class boat for use primarily on the East Coast and south, into the Carribean and Keys --maybe even as far south as Belize.
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It's looking like we're going to have to make some compromises on the perfect choice.* We like the feeling of the tugs, like American and Nordic, along with the ability to get to up to 18 knots or so in a pinch.* We really like the pilothouse layouts.* The negatives on the tugs for us are general lack of quality deck space, including austere fly bridges, but understand in the northwest where these boats are popular there's probably less time spent on deck in cold weather.* The tug manufactures are*active in Annapolis, where we live, and we spent time talking with them this*month at TrawlerFest and the Annapolis Boat Show.**Are they practical in the Keys and Carribean?
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We like the classic trawlers, too, like Kadey Krogen 44, Grand Banks, and comparable full displacement boats.* We love the deck space and well-appointed fly bridges.* But, my dear wife worries about going 8 knots with no ability to step it up a little to avoid bad weather.* Me, not so much.* I'm fine at 8 knots.* My main interest is solid, seaworthy and reliable.

Draft is another issue in the Carib/Keys too, *I would think.

We're even considering power catamarans, and visited the PDQ 34 this week.* Lots of space (except in the tight staterooms), and we're told they're very stable, and fuel efficient at both the classic 8 knot speed but capable of up to 20 knots --also*relatively shallow drafts.* Lots of positives there, it seems.* But for an old traditional guy like me, it's a bit of a leap of faith --and then, what about the availability of extra wide slips?

Maybe we're just over-thinking this, but wondering if we're missing a logical alternative.

May we please have your thoughts?

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Bill
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Old 10-19-2009, 01:21 PM   #2
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RE: Tugs versus Trawlers

Your budget will dictate your choices as much as anything. You are correct in looking at the AT and NTs. They do have a turn of speed combined with the ability to turn it down for efficient cruisng . Your wife will love 8 knots after the first few fill ups. Go to boat shows, walk the docks, devote some energy and don't listen to the brokers until you have narrowed your search. Good luck
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Old 10-19-2009, 02:08 PM   #3
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Thanks, I should have added we're thinking 1990 vintage, $250,000.
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Old 10-19-2009, 06:55 PM   #4
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Here's my 2 bits worth...
We sold the 30' Tollycraft bacause it had 2 gas engines and when the price of fuel hit $150./barrel it was way too expensive to fill up
We sold the Nordic Tug 32 because it didn't have any outside living space. No command bridge, very small cockpit, no walkaround side decks.
We just closed the deal on a 40' Transpacific Eagle, which has everything we want. It's the roomist layout, 3 separate inside living spaces, single diesel shaft drive, pilot house with a great bench seat and table, huge open cockpit, island queen, separate shower / head, great tankage,*minimal outside teak, 14' 6" beam*etc. Ours is a 1999 and cost mid $200k.

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Sounds like you thought it through and made a good decision. What engine and how much tankage? Where do you keep the boat?
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She's got the 5.9 litre 210hp., turbo'd Cummins with 500 gal. fuel, 250gal water and 30 gal holding tank.
We're berthed in*Victoria BC

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Old 10-20-2009, 11:10 AM   #7
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First, I am biased.* We own a 2007 41-ft American Tug and absolutely love the boat!* In three years, I have nothing to complain about.* The fit and finish is superb and the systems are very reliable.* It is a very seaworthy boat and comfortable at any speed.* We slowed down last year to 9kts because of fuel prices and really enjoyed it.* This year, average around 10kts.

You need to talk to Greg Clark at Traditional Yachts in Jupiter.* Greg now has the AT-49.* He has taken his 41 AT to the Bahamas and can comment on draft, etc.

Best of luck with your decision!

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Old 10-20-2009, 02:58 PM   #8
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As Sloboat says, Grand Banks are semi-planing (or semi-displacement if you prefer that term).* As such, they can be driven along at a pretty good clip if their engines are powerful enough and the limit on your gas card is high enough.

Sloboat mentioned the eruopa configuration which has features found on many pilothouse boats as well.* These are the covered side decks and covered aft deck.* If you intend to boat in an environment where rain, wind, and cold are the norm (like here), this configuration can give you quite a bit of outside space without actually having to be outside.* The often quite large covered aft deck is very*protected from the rain, unlike an open flying bridge which many of these boats also have, and the aft deck can even be enclosed with removable, windowed curtains for wind and cold*protection.* This configuration also has a larger boat deck area than other types of boats, although this is generally not able to be enclosed as readily*as it is on a sundeck boat.

The tugs are great in places like the PNW where the weather keeps you inside most of the time anyway, and some of them do have a small flying bridge.* Plus the cabin top can be used as an outside area I suppose.* But if sizable social gatherings oustside on the boat are part of your requirement, the tugs are probalby not the best suited for this.
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Old 10-20-2009, 05:30 PM   #9
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I agree with the description of the GB Europas. Full walk around, covered side decks and cockpit, etc, etc. If the new GB 41 Zeus was about a half mil cheaper, I'd buy one! The 42 GB Europa, used, would be a better buy though. Although I've never owned a GB, they are sure one hell- uv- a nice boat! The Europas deliver just about everything my wife and I want in a boat.

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Old 10-21-2009, 12:33 PM   #10
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Thanks everyone. I knew we'd get some good advice. There are quite a few Grand Banks in our price range for sale in our general area that we're looking forward to checking out. That may be the answer for us.

Nobody mentioned catamarans. Totally bad idea for us, do you think?

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Old 10-21-2009, 02:23 PM   #11
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RE: Tugs versus Trawlers

Catamarans might be recommended if you were on a cat site. You are now on a trawler site.
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GBs are lovely boats, but there are lots of others every bit as good. Again, walk the docks, go to boat shows and look at lots and lots of vessels. The hunt is great fun and you'll change your mind many times on what constitutes the "most important things."
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Hiya Mr.. Koliver,
** I guesss that leaves out these** http://www.trawlercatmarine.com/* Oh, oh, semantics again

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Old 10-21-2009, 05:02 PM   #14
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Hello Mr. Oliver,
Sorry if I irritated anyone with the catamaran question. It was just an honest consideration regarding the kind of cruising we like to do, and I thought maybe others who ended up here might have had similar thoughts.

Anyway, we really appreciate the good advice from everyone.

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RE: Tugs versus Trawlers

I hope I didn't sound irritated! I am not. I was simply pointing out the obvious, and as RTF mentioned, there are semantics involved. I imagine, not having trolled the catamaran sites, that you will find lots of discussion where those members extol their cats as the ideal vessel for just the sort of cruising you do. Here however, the vast majority of us know little or nothing of value about catamarans, so you might get better results there than here.

On another thread there were page after page of argument about sedan v europa. This sounds like an opening for the same argument, ie if it is a cat, how can it also be a trawler?

I will now go into hiding while the debate rages.
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Old 10-21-2009, 05:55 PM   #16
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koliver, you forgot to talk about the blowhardboaters who come on here and announce they are converting "to the dark side". If trawlers are the dark side, get the heck out and stay with bloboats. How arrogant to start their aquaintance here with disrespect.

And, while I'm at it, how about the Taiwan Tubs and Chubbies folks. Arrogance and ignorance. I wonder if they ever "get it"? Some even try to excuse their poor manners by explaining that "I have one too", "I use it as a term of edearment", or some other such drivel. Kind of like, I use the N word because I know some black people. It just doesn't fly in real life.
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RE: Tugs versus Trawlers

In my mind a "Trawler Cat" would be a great solution. Great deck area. Great stability at anchor. Lots of room on the interior, and many are very shallow draft. My boats not a trawler either. So what?
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Mr. 2bucks,
** I understand the regerence to Taiwan Tubs (which I personally find offensive) but have never heard the term chubbies.* If allowed, please explain.
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CHB's ??
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Cats suffer from one overriding issue - width. No easy dockage in the PNW because of this curse/blessing.*Other + and - pale in comparison IMHO. The cat forums are the place to be if you want to learn and gab about them.*
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