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Old 10-26-2009, 07:49 AM   #41
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RE: Tugs versus Trawlers

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Or a similar event- this past spring my sister and her husband caught the Cunard line's Queen in LA, berthed in Hawaii, picked up more passengers*and then onto 4non US*stops before getting off in Sidney and flying back to the US. Lots of "exceptions."
Those are not "exceptions", the*ship*did not*load passengers in LA and offload them in Hawaii so they did not*tranport passengers or cargo*between US*ports.

It is perfectly legitimate to pick up pax or cargo at several US ports, or to drop off cargo that was loaded overseas in several US ports. The point is that a foreign flag vessel or a foreign bottom cannt pickup pax or cargo in one US port and drop it off in another without first stopping at a foreign port. Foreign cargo ships commonly offload part of their cargo in Long Beach then continue to Oakland to offload the remainder. They just can't pick up LA cargo and drop it off in Oakland.

The cruise ships working out of LA skirt this by stopping in Ensenda for a few minutes on the way to Hawaii. That practice has been determined by the government to be an "evasion" and may soon be stopped. The ships may have to stay in a foreign port for something like half the total time they spend in ports.

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Old 12-14-2009, 11:07 AM   #42
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I was told that the Taiwan made boats could not be put into charter service. If so. Why is that.
I was also told that a family actually would move onto the boats and finish the interior.* The reason some were so lavish and detailed
Old fish wife tales or fact?

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*It has to do with the Merchant Marine Act of 1920 or the Jones Act. All vessels engaging in commerce in the US between US ports be built it the US and flagged in the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchan...ne_Act_of_1920
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Old 12-14-2009, 12:47 PM   #43
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"All vessels engaging in commerce in the US between US ports be built it the US and flagged in the US."

True in theory ,

but anyone with a pile of Ca$h that can claim to have some "special" vessel can get congress (the best gov money can by W.R.) to pass a private bill.

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Old 12-14-2009, 01:26 PM   #44
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I was told that the Taiwan made boats could not be put into charter service. If so. Why is that.
I was also told that a family actually would move onto the boats and finish the interior.* The reason some were so lavish and detailed
Old fish wife tales or fact?
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First part of your post is incorrect.* There are a gazillion "Taiwan" made boats (and boats made in all sorts of other countries) in the charter fleets in the US.* The Jones Act covers commercial use, not recreational charter use.

The second part of your post is correct.* I don't know that anyone would actually move onto the boats, but the hulls and basic superstructure manufactured by the main yard would often then be "farmed out" to small, usually family-owned yards for completion.* This could result in inconsistent quality between boats of the same make and model because the manufacturing methods, materials, and hardware could vary between the yards completing the boats.* This is one reason it is so important to have thorough hull surveys conducted on any "Taiwan" boats, particularly those built in the 70s and 80s because there are some potential problems that can develop in the boats made with less-than-ideal building practices and materials.

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Old 12-14-2009, 02:51 PM   #45
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The vast majority of the Chinese yards today do it all in house. In fact some yards will do different brands (Alaskan, Defever and GB) in the same yard. The Chinese boatbuilders are using CAD programs for each brand so they aren't quite like Chevy and GMC on the same assembly line. Marin's picture of the NH plant a few days ago shows living quarters too for the workers. Contracting out is a foreign concept in China (for now anyway).
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Tugs versus Trawlers. Just because Nordic says their boats are Tugs*** they are? What the hec is a Tug? A trawler w a phony smoke stack on top? The only "Tug" I
can think of that actually looks a bit like a tug is Marin's Lord Nelson. The east coast man said he wanted a boat that would go 20 knots*** Trawlers don't do that. Trawler is nothing more than an essence and all these boats are nothing more that CRUISERS. They were named that a long time ago and there's no reason to change it now. Some cruisers are slow and some fast. What do you do when you go out w your "Tug"*** .. go tugging? On subject John.

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Marin says: "This is one reason it is so important to have thorough hull surveys conducted on any "Taiwan" boats, particularly those built in the 70s and 80s because there are some potential problems that can develop in the boats made with less-than-ideal building practices and materials."

Which boat brand would you recommend someone NOT get a thorough hull survey on? For my money Grand Banks is one of the most highly regarded brands. They have deck rot, flybridge rot, window leaks and subsequent sidewall rot. Not to mention the fuel tank rusting, keel leaks etc. Reading exactly what you said, seems to be throwing rocks at the Taiwan boats, but don't you agree EVERY boat should be surveyed with the proverbial fine toothed comb?

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