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Old 07-20-2012, 09:34 PM   #41
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I feel that walk around decks are nearly a necessity for some.I see it being a huge benefit when locking through.On a large vessel,it's really handy for cleaning the exterior.Cuts down or eliminates using the dink to wash the hull.
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Old 07-20-2012, 09:43 PM   #42
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I wonder if the proponents of a full walk around deck do so to justify their smaller salons?
Our saloon is big enough for us.



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Old 07-20-2012, 10:17 PM   #43
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I wonder if the proponents of a full walk around deck do so to justify their smaller salons?
Ever been on a Fleming? Walk-around deck and a main cabin you could hold a dance in.

This eliminate-the side-decks-to-get-a wider-cabin is in my observation kind of bogus I think. It's sort of like Airbus saying their A330 cabin is five inches wider (or whatever it is) than the Boeing 767 cabin. Technically, Airbus is correct. But from a practical standpoint, in the words of the former CEO of Continental, "Nobody really cares."

Now if we held dances in our main cabin it would probably make a difference. But we don't. We sit, we play cards, we eat, we look at the stuff around us. If we widened the cabin by the amount of the side decks we'd still sit, play cards, eat, and look at the stuff around us. The only difference is there would be a few more feet of empty space between us the person across from us.

Not saying if we had the space we wouldn't like having it. But we wouldn't like having it enough to persuade us to give up the walkaround deck.

So our solution if we really wanted more width in the cabins would be to get a larger boat. A GB42 instead of a GB36, for example. Or a Fleming. Then we could hold a dance and still have a full walkaround deck.
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Old 07-21-2012, 02:06 AM   #44
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Ever been on a Fleming? Walk-around deck and a main cabin you could hold a dance in.

This eliminate-the side-decks-to-get-a wider-cabin is in my observation kind of bogus I think. It's sort of like Airbus saying their A330 cabin is five inches wider (or whatever it is) than the Boeing 767 cabin. Technically, Airbus is correct. But from a practical standpoint, in the words of the former CEO of Continental, "Nobody really cares."

Now if we held dances in our main cabin it would probably make a difference. But we don't. We sit, we play cards, we eat, we look at the stuff around us. If we widened the cabin by the amount of the side decks we'd still sit, play cards, eat, and look at the stuff around us. The only difference is there would be a few more feet of empty space between us the person across from us.

Not saying if we had the space we wouldn't like having it. But we wouldn't like having it enough to persuade us to give up the walkaround deck.

So our solution if we really wanted more width in the cabins would be to get a larger boat. A GB42 instead of a GB36, for example. Or a Fleming. Then we could hold a dance and still have a full walkaround deck.

I completely understand your thoughts, and I respect them. Thanks for having a great sense of humor.

The cool thing is that there is a boat for everybodies tastes. Side decks, widebody, trunk cabin, europa, pilothouse, and yes the Manatee possibly in a class by itself.

Everybodies boat suits their personality, and their needs.
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Old 07-21-2012, 12:17 PM   #45
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Old 07-21-2012, 02:44 PM   #46
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Old 07-22-2012, 12:55 PM   #48
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I just want to say that Manatees DO HAVE a walkaround deck. The upper deck is completely accessible all around (with a step down to the foredeck). In my limited experience, I've found the Manatee very easy to handle in and out of slips. You can do all you need singlehanded from the upper deck. Transfer lines to the cleats in the stern cockpit and the side cleats later if you want to. It is a little different than most and more of a challenge with low floating docks but certainly not a dealbreaker. It's very convenient at my current dock with tall pilings.

As for seaworthiness, I don't have rough water experience but I imagine it would be more uncomfortable in the upper level pilothouse than at a lower level wheel. I simply plan to avoid rough conditions. I'm certain the design can take a lot more punishment than I can. On the other hand, down below she is very stable. There are things on shelves in the stateroom and salon that have never moved in the roughest wakes in the waterway.

I spend a lot of time on the boat at the dock and she is supremely comfortable. That's where she shines. She's a little homely but I'm not planning on entering her in a beauty contest. Homely is as homely does - she's beautiful.
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Old 07-22-2012, 01:27 PM   #49
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I spend a lot of time on the boat at the dock and she is supremely comfortable. That's where she shines. She's a little homely but I'm not planning on entering her in a beauty contest. Homely is as homely does - she's beautiful.
Capt. Garry, are you still at Twin Dolphin?
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I moved Mango Mama to Petes Pier Marina in Crystal River so I can stay aboard during the week. I work at the Nuc Plant and we live in Bradenton. Victoria comes up some weekends when she's feeling up to it.

Are you back in South Carolina now? I had a slip in Hilton Head with a previous boat 5-6 years ago.
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I moved Mango Mama to Petes Pier Marina in Crystal River so I can stay aboard during the week. I work at the Nuc Plant and we live in Bradenton. Victoria comes up some weekends when she's feeling up to it.

Are you back in South Carolina now? I had a slip in Hilton Head with a previous boat 5-6 years ago.
I know just where you are. I love to fish out of Crystal River. I love the place except for the snaky channel coming in. Caught alot of grouper around Gomez Rock, and red fish along the power plant canal.

My good friend in Bradenton (Riviera Dunes) passed away in December. Won't be back that way until we move the boat back to the West Coast. We are hanging out at Ft. Pierce City Marina for a year or maybe more. Then go back North. Where were you at Hilton Head? We have stayed at Shelter Cove many times.
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Old 07-26-2012, 12:13 AM   #52
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I have a soft spot for owning and restoring vehicles and vessels that wouldn't win any beauty contest, so I guess that our Manatee is just another in a long list of form-challenged vehicles. Still, I think it may be difficult to find a Manatee owner who felt bad about his boat.......the thing simply has too many assets to really attack, and it's doubtful one would know what those assets are without the process of buying, owing, servicing, cruising, and selling a Manatee. I'm sure the same is true for any other boat.

It may not be pertinent, but one might consider that after over 150 ship designs, James Krogen wanted to build his version of the ultimate couple's cruiser for he and his wife. This is what he came up with. It works.
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Pick and choose your days and the Manatee is fine. Skipper Bob spent winters in the Abacos and he had a Manatee. Most people regardless of the boat don't venture into the Gulf Stream in conditions greater then 15 knots and nothing out of the north.
A boat with stabilizers is more comfortable but they still usually pick and choose their days too.
I'm in the process of purchasing a Manatee. Originally I wanted a 42' Krogen but couldn't find one in the shape I wanted. The Manatee actually has more room and storage and costs less to run and insure. Allstate will insure any boat less then 36' not including the swim platform and their rates are fantastic. I think the Manatee fits those parameters.
I'm a coastal cruiser that's spent a lot of time in the Bahamas. I'll just have to be patient like I did on my 41' Defever which was a good sea boat but like all unstabilized trawlers rolled in a beam sea. I usually would tack in a beam sea.
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Who cares about walk around decks. The boat is only 36'. I had a 41' Defever with walk around decks but with the only place to sit and relax was a fixed built in like you see on monks, Grand Banks, etc. try sitting on the built in settee and it gets uncomfortable quickly. Would much ray get have the Manatee's room and that's why I'm buying one!
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"I'm in the process of purchasing a Manatee. "

jrs1958' good luck on your search! My husband and I just bought one and we love it! ��
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Who cares about walk around decks.
My wife certainly cares when leaving and returning to home dock. Moving from bow to stern, deploying fenders etc. Very much makes things easier and safer.
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like many situations in life, adaptation comes along and things are back to normal.


all boats are compromises, so adaptation is usually inevitable.
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Old 08-17-2016, 10:45 AM   #58
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jrs1958 we have owned our 1987 Manatee for 8 years and love it. Our only open water sea worthyness test so far has been the 24 hour 172 mile trip from Clearwater to Carabelle, Fl. in 3 to 4 foot seas and the Manatee did fine, set the auto pilot and enjoyed the dolphins escorting us along the way.
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I keep reading about the limited walk around decks in this thread... the Manatee has all the walk around deck space anyone could ask for, plus 360 degree visibility. Unless you're tying off in a wind storm there's time to climb down the ladder and step onto the dock.
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