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Old 05-03-2015, 11:24 PM   #1
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Hey guys. I'm currently rebuilding the single step area from the bow to the pilothouse level and wondered how you felt about the size and safety of these steps. I've never fallen, but I've stumbled a few times when stepping down to the bow. I've got some good, old forest, heavy teak board that I could use to build bigger steps. All the glass work underneath is done. A larger step would require some easy modification of the area below to support the edge of the step, no problem. Is there any reason I shouldn't do this? Here's a photo of the repaired step area with the original teak board just laying in place. The larger step I have in mind would be half again as large. Thanks for any feedback.
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Old 05-03-2015, 11:51 PM   #2
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I would do a larger step and an other SS hand rail on the side without one so both hands would have holds .
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Old 05-04-2015, 12:20 AM   #3
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I've often thought of doing the same thing. Sometimes I just bypass the step and go straight to the lower deck, but not exactly the safest thing to do. I would go ahead, and will probably follow your lead once you post the pictures. I was thinking of shaping some sheet aluminum to put under the expanded step for extra strength. We also have a cable that runs from the lower railing to the upper railing that gives some measure of safety in that open area.
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Old 05-04-2015, 08:18 AM   #4
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Have you thought about using the backside of a Vulcan? In all seriousness, I'd make it bigger.
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I ordered two stainless steel grab rails to mount on the inboard side of each step to help make the step a little safer. A larger step would be a definite improvement.
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Greetings,
Mr. hh. I know nothing about the layout of KK's but ANYTHING to improve overall safety aboard is a really good thing. Larger step, maybe even a platform type of deal (with extra supports underneath) AND extra handrails as suggested. None of us are getting any younger except maybe Mr. and Ms.(wifey) BB.
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Old 05-04-2015, 03:16 PM   #7
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Greetings,
Mr. hh. I know nothing about the layout of KK's but ANYTHING to improve overall safety aboard is a really good thing. Larger step, maybe even a platform type of deal (with extra supports underneath) AND extra handrails as suggested. None of us are getting any younger except maybe Mr. and Ms.(wifey) BB.
Wifey B: With a birthday coming up it reminds me I'm now at an age I once considered old. Thing is, that will repeat itself. But now I've spent more time around some incredible older people and it doesn't frighten me anymore.

And to the OP, safety is always the most important thing. Larger step, hand rails. Great idea.
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Yeah I guess I'll have to go with the larger steps. This morning I cut and formed larger copies of the originals. Now I'm at teak Hut looking for some pieces I can use for the supports beneath.
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Here are originals to compare after cut.
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Yeah I guess I'll have to go with the larger steps. This morning I cut and formed larger copies of the originals. Now I'm at teak Hut looking for some pieces I can use for the supports beneath.
They look good Larry . Can you use any of the old steps for the support ?
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They look good Larry . Can you use any of the old steps for the support ?
Oh yeah, the supports. After hours of trial and painstaking
measurement, then mind-boggling application of algebraic formuli too complex and lengthy to publish here, I produced this precision triangular cardboard form measuring 2.5 x 2.5 x 2 inches x 15" wide. The fit was very close but didn't account for the slight belly in the glass below the step. I drove over to our local teak supplier and found two proper pieces to reproduce the form in teak. I'd rather do the support in matching teak so it can be removed easily with the step for recaulking.
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Wifey B: I'm surprised you didn't just photoshop it...a lot less work.
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Wifey B: I'm surprised you didn't just photoshop it...a lot less work.
If only I could just do that. Maybe in the future, we'll all have virtual boating, and such wishful thinking will be all that's necessary.
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Larry-with your Photoshop expertise, I am surprised you don't have a 3-D printer so you can just "print" the part!
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Larry here's photos of the grab rails I installed yesterday that make the steps to the bow much safer. I got these from Great Lakes Skipper on Ebay, they are a bit pricey but look good and are 316 stainless and about 19" long. Rails come with 1/4 20 mounting bolts, I added starboard backing plates.
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Hmm. Those look good and I do have some similar rails I got at the Dania Flea Market a couple of years ago. When you're stepping down, can you grab them easily?

Here's a shot of the new step with the necessary teak support angle resting below and ready to install beneath the increased hang-over. It does feel a bunch better, but that arrangement still feels awkward. Maybe the addition of the hand rail on the inside is all it needs now.
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Larry the rails positioning was tested using my long arms and the admiral's shorter reach and they allow for a double handhold going down and up. I positioned them 3" out from the hatch edge and centered, also as I mentioned they are 19" long.
Your bigger steps look great, I may do that change because my size twelve's barely fit on the smaller steps, but the rails make for a much safer use.
Larry no PM received this am ?? I did recieve one yesterday from someone else so it worked then ??
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