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Old 10-05-2019, 02:19 PM   #141
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Patience.
If you have no real timeframe wait for the right weather window


Plenty of people travel the globe in pretty average boats and manage fine.
Others have arguably the best boat and have their arse handed to them on a plate.
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Old 10-05-2019, 03:09 PM   #142
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This reminds me there was a couple about 9 years ago, or so, who decided they wanted to cross oceans and purchased a KK42. They did an Alaska trip then went to Anacortes, where they installed paravanes and went to Baja. Then, with stops along the way, went to Australia. Once they got to Australia, they left the boat and sold it. They had several misfortunes, some self inflicted. For example, Iím convinced the rigging for their paravanes was under built, and they had no spares.

They had an online blog that has since been removed from the web. Itís a shame really that it is no longer available, because their story was a good example of the dangers of this sort of thing.

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Was this the couple from Eastern Washington?
I believe I was the same pair I met the summer we took our boat down the coast and did the Columbia and Snake rivers.
To call their boating experience minimal would be a epic understatement.
They had no business trying to cross an ocean.. not to mention even operating the boat on the confines of a river.
This may sound harsh.. but I recall a statement from the Admiral that she expected them to loose the boat at some !
Glad they didn't end up lost at sea..
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Old 10-05-2019, 04:19 PM   #143
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Old 10-05-2019, 04:57 PM   #144
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I just left the Annapolis motor boat show. They had a KK52 and a Nordy63. The KK was only $200k less than the big Nordy. Very nice boat but seriously overpriced if you are concerned about value IMO.
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:33 PM   #145
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This reminds me there was a couple about 9 years ago, or so, who decided they wanted to cross oceans and purchased a KK42. They did an Alaska trip then went to Anacortes, where they installed paravanes and went to Baja. Then, with stops along the way, went to Australia. Once they got to Australia, they left the boat and sold it....Jim
I remember that boat being on market. Another TFer(now Scraping Paint)inspected it. Took a long while to sell, the brand is largely unknown here, though KK did exhibit at a Sydney Boat Show a few years back with a very impressive 48, then owned by a TF member.
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Was this the couple from Eastern Washington?
I believe I was the same pair I met the summer we took our boat down the coast and did the Columbia and Snake rivers.
To call their boating experience minimal would be a epic understatement.
They had no business trying to cross an ocean.. not to mention even operating the boat on the confines of a river.
This may sound harsh.. but I recall a statement from the Admiral that she expected them to loose the boat at some !
Glad they didn't end up lost at sea..
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Well, that's a great example of KK's and "the justification of their high price" is well founded. If those two were so inexperienced and didn't have much knowledge but got to Oz alive do you think the KK saved their lives at some time when another boat may have sunk ?
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Well, that's a great example of KK's and "the justification of their high price" is well founded. If those two were so inexperienced and didn't have much knowledge but got to Oz alive do you think the KK saved their lives at some time when another boat may have sunk ?

Probably.. and dumb luck.


As Richard has pointed out on many occasions the KK42 is a tough boat.. most likely tougher than the skippers.
I personally think a $200k 42 is a deal as a sea boat. And they sip fuel.


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Old 10-14-2019, 05:28 PM   #148
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I just left the Annapolis motor boat show. They had a KK52 and a Nordy63. The KK was only $200k less than the big Nordy. Very nice boat but seriously overpriced if you are concerned about value IMO.
Did you do a "side by side" on what was included in the prices?

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Old 10-14-2019, 06:01 PM   #149
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I think I found the perfect long distance trawler. The Cape Horn trawlers. Double steel hull; Self righting within seconds; 3700 gal fuel with a range of about 8k miles! 8 knot cruise; 9 knot full speed. Has multiple water tight compartments. The interior doors have water tight steel doors in addition to the wood doors. The steel doors are tucked away out of view. The builder claims that the boat is made to survive any kind of seas that may come up. They have bilge keels so they will be level if stranded at low tide. The hull ranges from 3/8" to 3" thick. That's 3" of steel! The windows are bolt in 1/2" tempered glass. You could run in ice with this thing although I wouldn't try it intentionally.

Here's the incredible part: 1999 55' Cape Horn a clean one for $500k and a rusted one for $300k. The interiors are very nice. The steel trawlers represent a very reasonable price range compared to FG.

I think I may have found my future blue water trawler. It's twice as heavy as a comparable Nordhavn and goes just as fast. At about 2 mpg (per my rough calcs) it's reasonably economical too.

I'm still searching but these look promising.
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Did you do a "side by side" on what was included in the prices?

I didnít list things down, but roughly...

The KK was a twin with thruster. Asymmetric deckhouse. It was quite lively just tied up in its slip.

The NH was way over equipped IMO. Single with 100hp wing. Stern and bow thrusters. Hydraulic stabilizers installed because the TWO Seakeeper gyrostabilizers were reportedly really poor in performance. Much bigger and heavier boat. About half the motion in its slip (they were berthed side by side). As a negative, the hydraulics were all powered by the wing. No electric pump as well, so if your wing goes down then so do the windlass and thrusters.

There are Pros and cons for both boats. Thereís a big difference in that extra 10 feet, at a lower price.
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I didnít list things down, but roughly...

The KK was a twin with thruster. Asymmetric deckhouse. It was quite lively just tied up in its slip.

The NH was way over equipped IMO. Single with 100hp wing. Stern and bow thrusters. Hydraulic stabilizers installed because the TWO Seakeeper gyrostabilizers were reportedly really poor in performance. Much bigger and heavier boat. About half the motion in its slip (they were berthed side by side). As a negative, the hydraulics were all powered by the wing. No electric pump as well, so if your wing goes down then so do the windlass and thrusters.

There are Pros and cons for both boats. Thereís a big difference in that extra 10 feet, at a lower price.
I contacted someone who was at the show. He is pretty sure that the NH was a few years old and a brokerage boat while the KK was the cost for a new 2020 model. I agree that the NH had quite a few additional systems, but comparing the 2 isn't really "apples to apples" in my opinion.

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If they were years apart then that would make sense for the price difference.
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Old 10-15-2019, 12:47 PM   #153
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I contacted someone who was at the show. He is pretty sure that the NH was a few years old and a brokerage boat while the KK was the cost for a new 2020 model. I agree that the NH had quite a few additional systems, but comparing the 2 isn't really "apples to apples" in my opinion.

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