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Old 07-27-2017, 07:38 PM   #41
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Bigsfish,
Yes indeed I hope you found my scope on the matter interesting. Your position is typical of most on TF .. a conservative group.

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Old 07-27-2017, 09:03 PM   #42
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Hi Eric

Most enlightening.

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FWIW

I am changing back to our original Bruce from a Rocna . For our use there was no noticeable difference between the two and the Bruce is a better fit on the bow.

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I did the same Bob.

But my 33lb Claw was not original and I've not used it yet. But (as you say) it fit beautifly on the bow. All my other anchors I need to lift up vertically w my boat hook to store on deck and holding it out away from the boat is too tough on my rotater cuff (shoulder) now. In a week I'm having an operation for that.

Is your Bruce 44lbs?
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Since both of you are equating the Bruce to the Rocna, is that a endorsement of the Bruce or a complaint of the Rocna?

I say that because I used a Bruce for many decades and had pretty good success but it was far from perfect in some bottoms but I feel the new generation anchors are far superior.

BTW we decided to go down to the Keys for a few weeks and we stopped at a place that has a thick grass on the bottom and I had doubts the Boss would set the first time. Dropped the anchor and backed down on it and that sucker is stuck to the bottom.
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Neither, in my specific area and circumstance the performance is identical. I am going back to the Bruce because it is a better fit on Ebbtide. The Rocna will be made up and stowed in the laz as a spare.

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Once, you've been in a 75 mph squall on a lee shore, there is no such thing as too much anchor.

On our 42 foot motor yacht (40,000 lbs), our primary anchor is a Mantus 85 pounder.

It may look silly, but it feels good!
Very very very true.
60ft and a 150lb Manson Supreme for us.

We've had a logged 80+ knots on us and multiple 45+ and have never ever dragged

12 mths on the hook and I sleep like a baby.
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I understand some may not like an oversized anchor but I prefer being erring on the side of safety.
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I greatly appreciate all the comments. Trying to stay on track as I've narrowed it down to brand (Rocna) and style (Vulcan) as what I think best fits my needs. I realize that there are a vast number of options for anchors and almost all of them work very well (or no one would buy them nor would there be passionate supporters of a particular brand/model).

I'm just asking if any forum users have actual experience of the two sizes (55# and 73#) on a GB 42. I have space for two anchors at the bow - I want to keep the 35-H Danforth and replace the 45# CQR (bent shank). The CQR comes up through the bow platform - thus the Vulcan style.

I, too, favor going up a size, but the Rocna site stresses their anchors are sized right & a 55# is suitable for a Grand Banks 42 Classic. If it's the appropriate size, then less weight to haul and handle. Just hoping someone w/same set-up could confirm...again, thanks for all the comments.

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While I can't provide an exact comparison I do have a 43 GB and a Boss (somewhat similar to the Vulcan. Went with the 60 pound Boss and consider the extra weight like an insurance policy. If I had to do it all over again I would do the same. I know Eric is an advocate for light weight anchors but I prefer to carry the extra weight and sleep really well in the squalls we have in the southeast.

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I greatly appreciate all the comments. Trying to stay on track as I've narrowed it down to brand (Rocna) and style (Vulcan) as what I think best fits my needs. I realize that there are a vast number of options for anchors and almost all of them work very well (or no one would buy them nor would there be passionate supporters of a particular brand/model).

I'm just asking if any forum users have actual experience of the two sizes (55# and 73#) on a GB 42. I have space for two anchors at the bow - I want to keep the 35-H Danforth and replace the 45# CQR (bent shank). The CQR comes up through the bow platform - thus the Vulcan style.

I, too, favor going up a size, but the Rocna site stresses their anchors are sized right & a 55# is suitable for a Grand Banks 42 Classic. If it's the appropriate size, then less weight to haul and handle. Just hoping someone w/same set-up could confirm...again, thanks for all the comments.

Thanks all!
Before you make the final decision, have you considered the Sarca Excel..?
SARCA in Action - anchorright.com.au
You'd need about a no 6 Excel ie 30kg = 66lb.
For you vessel one of those would be ideal, and they have the reputation of being quick setting in virtually any bottom, and ultra hard holding as well. They are designed for those boats where the anchor shank comes up through the pulpit platform. See their performance on the Anchor setting videos thread if in doubt. They are now available in the US.
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I use a Super Sarca, and love it - sets quickly in virtually any bottom and holds hard - but it has a roll bar and would not be ideal for your pulpit platform I suspect.
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Before you make the final decision, have you considered the Sarca Excel..?.
I was wondering when you'd jump in Peter.
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Bigsfish wrote;
"I know Eric is an advocate for light weight anchors but I prefer to carry the extra weight and sleep really well in the squalls we have in the southeast."

Not so actually. I've given the wrong impression it seems.
I'm an advocate of getting and using the RIGHT weight anchor. Not "lightweight" or oversized. Since "the right weight" is rather hard to pin down I understand why pushing oneself to get an anchor that is heavy enough to leave little doubt that it is indeed heavy enough is common practice. Size is relative to holding power and anchors that have been tested in various tests are much more of a known commodity. If one gets a low performing (holding power wise) like a Bruce or Claw one uses a big anchor. I have a 33lb Claw on Willy now but wouldn't consider a 33lb XYZ or Supreme. If I had a CQR I'd have a 44lb. And I wouldn't feel secure w a Navy anchor less than 50lbs. But 10lbs would be fine w a Fortress.

But the often stated "get the biggest anchor that will fit on your boat" or that "the winch can handle is not very smart. My Avalon car has 268hp. WAY too much for general transportation. If I was building one for myself I'd go for about 125-150hp. Same w anchors. You only need what you need.

So it's much easier to choose (or reject) a well tested anchor like a Supreme, Delta or Spade than one w unknown or not well known performance. The Vulcan has not been tested much or at all as far as I know. I wouldn't stick my neck out and recommend it here but It's probably a very good anchor and to be honest I had thoughts about buying one but I don't like the company AND it hasn't been tested.

But as to anchor weight one's main working anchor shouldn't be "lightweight" ... but it should be the RIGHT weight and (if possible) not overweight.
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Sorry Eric for putting my words in your mouth. I would have been better served by saying you prefer the minimum weight that will securely hold the boat under most conditions. If we look at anchoring as a bell curve you want to cover 80% of that bell and not worry much about the two extremes while I would prefer to cover 95% of that same curve.

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Bigsfish wrote;
"I know Eric is an advocate for lightweight anchors ...."

It seems that way but no .... l like anchors the right size. Not too light and not too heavy. I was once pulling my rode by hand and pushing the envelope of light anchors. Learned a lot and didn't drag anchor but that was part luck I admit. Even a 25# anchor gets heavy w a lot of line out. So I started observing that others were using really big anchors and talk'in bout even bigger. After anchoring in two gales w less than 20# anchors really big anchors seems silly.

But for the newbie or someone that's anchored in benign conditions many times succesfully the right size seems elusive. How big is too big and how small is too small? Good and hard question.
Anchor manufacturers are all over the map. Some spec for breezes and others for 50 knots. And the biggest variable is typically not mentioned .. the bottom. At least some recommend really big to avoid lawsuits and perhaps sell more steel. But the recomendations give some scope if one reads several or more.
Then if you take stock in what boats are equipped w new the scope gets even wider.
Then on TF one often hears "if people aren't laughing your anchor is too small." That advice overlooks the fact that they may be laughing because your anchor is too small. Or "use the biggest anchor and winch your boat can handle". That dosn't say much for anchors.

It's much easier to choose anchors that have been tested at least twice in a big comprehensive test. Some anchors are excellent that are only average in holding power. Some do well where others don't in weed and kelp. Many these days get plugged w mud. Some hold well in heavy mud. None hold well in light light mud but the difference in performance there say something about the design. Some don't even break out during strong reversals.

So the perfect anchor hasn't been designed and some are only best in certain locations. The old addage of having several different type anchors for different bottoms is not as important as it was in the 60's but still holds plenty of merrit. Many times I've dropped an anchor and it didden't set and deploying another of a different type did set. Line up all the anchors that we talk about on TF and there will be many different looking anchors even w/o the Bullwagga.


HaHa I see my post #54 did succeed. This post was because I thought 54 tanked because I jumped up to do something and forgot to actually post. 56 was to replace 54 ..Oh well.
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FWIW, our 75# Rocna with roll bar comes up through the bow platform of our 46' Grand Banks with no problem. It sits next to a 45# CQR which goes over the top of the platform with no interference at all. Suggest the OP try the roll bar model for fit before a deciding on a Vulcan. West Marine will let you do that.
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Looks to much like a lewmar delta to me




and in my experience they are as useless as a plow, unless your intention is to scrape trenches and plant crops on the bottom, but, thats just my observation.


Perhaps the Excel has something different.
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and in my experience they are as useless as a plow, unless your intention is to scrape trenches and plant crops on the bottom, but, thats just my observation.


Perhaps the Excel has something different.
Yes, Simi, your observation is wrong, but I can see why you said that. The differences are subtle, but make a huge difference. However, in it's day, the Delta was a good anchor, and a decided advance over the CQR, for sure.

Mind you, but for his pulpit set-up, I would have recommended the Super Sarca. However, its roll bar is thinner, but larger in diameter, and more vertical to the shank than the Rocna's, which I think gives it a setting edge, (less likely to just drag in soft mud), but as Hmason mentioned, the Rocna's more forward-facing roll bar does allow for it to be drawn up through a pulpit slot.
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Over the years, I've owned a Manson Supreme, a Rocna, a Mantus, as well as a Bruce, a Fortress, several CQRs and several Danforths. I've mostly anchored in sand and mud, all over the Gulf of Mexico, Florida and the Bahamas.

For anyone to say a Bruce is as good as a modern spade anchor is slightly baffling, and I can only attribute it to the fact that they must regularly anchor in bottoms that are of vastly different composition than me.

Now, on the other hand, having owned all three, I haven't seen a dime's worth of difference in the performance of a Manson Supreme, Rocna, or Mantus spade anchor. All three have been amazing.
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