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Old 07-12-2012, 01:25 PM   #21
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Based on what I know about both models I would not even bother with the GB and would go straight to the Fleming. You don't need the GB49 as a "learner." A GB32 or 36 maybe, but if you're willing to start out at 49' another 6 feet isn't going to make any difference. We know a few couples who have Flemings and they have no problems running the boat by themselves. The GB is a very nice boat, but it's a Honda Accord compared to the far superior Fleming.
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Old 07-12-2012, 02:53 PM   #22
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Marin the reason that I even considered the GB first is not the handling as I have had larger sport fishing boats over the 30 years I have boated but because of my wife and her acceptance of that life style and her abdominal surgeries, but thanks for the input.
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Old 07-12-2012, 03:25 PM   #23
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.....but because of my wife and her acceptance of that life style and her abdominal surgeries, but thanks for the input.
The idea being that if she doesn't take to it you're into the GB for much less than the Fleming? If so that seems a sensible approach.
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Old 07-12-2012, 04:32 PM   #24
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you got it Marin. It is a lot of $$$$ for any 55' Fleming. A 2009 model is about the best I can do and that is only because they improve each one they build so the 2001 model vs the 2009 model is about 100 plus changes which some are not ones you could transfer to the 2001 model, but, there is about a 650 price diff. It is like buying an airplane, if you could find one that serves 80% of your needs get it. So with that much on the line I want to make absolutely sure that Wanda is going to like it, you know that's a lot cheaper than a divorce. lol
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Old 07-12-2012, 07:02 PM   #25
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afc--- There was an earlier suggestion to pehaps charter a GB for a week or two to see if your wife liked the whole cruising thing. While I know you are on the other side of the country, if you have jump seat or discount priviledges on any transcontinental airlines (if they still do that sort of thing) or if you are simply willing to buy a couple of tickets, there is a GB charter outfit in Bellingham that has a full fleet from GB36s on up through GB52s. I think--- but am not positive--- that the fleet currently contains a GB49. I believe they also have a GB47 in the charter fleet.

If you are not already familiar with them the company is Northwest Explorations and their website is NW Explorations | Yacht Sales, Charters & Services in the Pacific NW I have no direct connection with them but their lead broker, Scott Blake, was the broker (same company, different name) who found our boat for us back in 1998. We charted a GB36 from them before buying our own.

Their charter boats are immaculate and professionally maintained. In addition to charters in the local and lower BC waters they also have what they call "Mother Goose" charters. Several of their boats make a round trip in the summer to SE Alaksa, and people can charter for one, two, or all three of the legs. First leg is taking the boat up, second leg is cruising in SE Alaska, third leg is bringing the boat back.
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Old 07-12-2012, 08:16 PM   #26
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Thanks Marin I would like to run something past you. I have been contacted by an old broker friend about a 64' Aleutian 2002 model "BIGG BLUE" priced the same as the 2009 55' fleming. Any thoughts?
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Old 07-12-2012, 09:03 PM   #27
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As much as I'd like to come across all knowledgable and stuff, I know virtually nothing about the Aleutian models other than they're big and expensive. I believe there is a fellow in Europe on the IAGBO GB owners forum who has one. I think his username is Vikendios or something like that. if you've joined that forum you might want to try to contact him--- there is a private message function on that forum similar to the one here.

I'm kind of a believer in buying the smallest boat I can afford, a philosophy that's been discussed here before on the "I'm new to this" threads. The smaller the boat, the better condition or newer (or both) it will be. You don't want a boat too small for what you want to do, of course.

So our preference is still for the Fleming 55. I knew what you were talking about when you described the improvements Tony Fleming makes to hiis boats on a continuing basis even within the same model line which makes a newer one "better" than an older one. But the older ones are pretty darn nice, at least from where I sit.

But for us, unless we really needed a big boat like a 64' Aleutian, I think we would go for the five year younger Fleming 55. Not that five years makes a major difference in a boat's condition, but 55' is going to be less costly to moor, insure, perhaps feed, and so on.

I have no idea how the boats compare in terms of getting around on and in them. But depending on one's health and physical condition, the differences might be a consideration.
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Old 07-13-2012, 02:33 AM   #28
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afc-- I just checked the GB owners forum and the member in Europe with an Aleutian does, in fact, have the user name Vikendios. He has an Aleutian 53 RP. Don't know the year.
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Old 07-13-2012, 07:47 AM   #29
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Marin, first let me be the first to say I might have come across rather sharp when you were merely making a joke as to the correct Boeing ID of the new 747-8I or F. Then i guess I became protective of my description of same. I am sure you know how tiered the pilot world is. Now I have sense your last post had a rather closer look at the 2002 Aleutian 64' and even though the price of "BIGG BLUE" is the same as a used 2009 Fleming 55' it does seem to large for my wife's comfort level as well as our budget is more in the 9 to 1.2 range. I do realize that I am at the diaper stage of understanding all the benefits of cruising instead of fishing Boats. A little past history: 1 - 30' Chris-craft in 1976, a Bertram 33' in 1979, a Bertram 37 in 1981, a Hatteras 42' in 1984, then a change in direction as I traded in 1970's wood hull 32' GB and used her for 3 months before I sold her and even made $$ trade in value 50k sold for 72k myself and loved that little boat but the kids were getting in their teenage years, so I tinkered with the idea then to get a 42' GB as my life as a pilot gave me several days off at a time, but alas I went back into a 54' viking and used it for cruising when we had the time. sold her in 1993. Now boat-less til now, kids 38 and 40. My wife and I are just glad at this point that we are able to even afford to do this, I guess I have to thank Steve Jobs for that as I put all my investments in apple stock at 51 and some change in 06 and sold in April for 601 a share. This one thing I did is going to allow us to have a secure retirement with a nice yacht to boot, so I really did get lucky, finally. I saw a tombstone over the net and it said; I LEAVE THIS WORLD WITH 4 PIECES OF ADVICE FOR A HAPPY LIFE, 1. GET A WOMEN THAT CAN COOK, 2. GET A WOMEN THAT CAN CLEAN, 3. GET A WOMEN TO KEEP YOU WARM AND SATISFY YOUR NEEDS, AND 4. DO NOT LET THEM ALL MEET OR YOU WILL END UP LIKE ME.
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Old 07-13-2012, 12:07 PM   #30
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I have no vested interest in what boat you choose, but thought I'd throw one more outcome at your equation. When we were looking at larger boats for a livaboard we looked at GBs, Defevers, Atlantic, old Vikings, Bertrams, etc. (admittedly we didn't ever go see a Fleming). But we kept coming back to or comparing to Kadey Krogens. Neither of us could pinpoint why but in the back of our minds my wife and I both had determined that had the best overall package for us (though she did REALLY like the 44' Defever???go figure). Anyway there are several here in FL very well equipped and well within your stated range. Here is just one example.

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Old 07-13-2012, 03:05 PM   #31
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twiisted71 THANKS NOT A BAD LOOKER, WILL SEARCH FOR MORE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THEM. How is the depth between Bimini and Chub cay now, do u know if a 5' draw will be OK, back in the late 70's you had to pretty much feel your way at 6 or so knots????
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Old 07-13-2012, 06:42 PM   #32
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I second what Woodsong said. Stick around AFC usually the posts are not so confrontational. You'll pick up good bits from good peeps! Don't judge by this post only.

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