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Old 02-10-2015, 01:07 PM   #21
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Art ,we used to say there are two types of skippers out there . Those that have hit the beach and those that haven't yet . We had far more claims from fire than any other cause . I was only talking about integrity of the vessel due to age , not everything else that could destroy a boat .

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Old 02-10-2015, 01:11 PM   #22
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And this is based on?

Possibly the phase of the moon

Steel and wood must be maintained constantly.
???????? Really the phase of the moon?
Any material "must " be maintained constantly is my point !

Today we are seeing issues with old FRP pleasure cruisers in the market that we experienced with wood boats. "issues be the different but to suggest they are a non issue ?

Too suggest it is the Hull material just makes me go HMMMMMM.

Take a look at this thread at some of the old wood boats that have a history of care yet I am the guy basing his words on the phase of the moon ?

Really .

Sorry guys I guess I am just to old and grumpy for this forum.

Have a nice day .
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Old 02-10-2015, 01:23 PM   #23
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???????? Really the phase of the moon?
Any material "must " be maintained constantly is my point !

Today we are seeing issues with old FRP pleasure cruisers in the market that we experienced with wood boats. "issues be the different but to suggest they are a non issue ?

Too suggest it is the Hull material just makes me go HMMMMMM.

Take a look at this thread at some of the old wood boats that have a history of care yet I am the guy basing his words on the phase of the moon ?

Really .

Sorry guys I guess I am just to old and grumpy for this forum.

Have a nice day .
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Old 02-10-2015, 02:54 PM   #24
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The only hull material supperior to wood is aluminum.

If comparing is to be done comparing of fully maintained or new boats finds wood to be better or supperior to others except in puncture resistance. If you're going to run into a rock basically all materials are better than a carvel planked wood boat. But then that's not true of plywood or composite wood/epoxy FG boats. They are almost always lighter and stronger than production FG boats.

People often don't like wood boats for two reasons.
1. They expect a boat to last a long time w almost no maintance.
2. They think all old things, materials or methods are inferior to later developed things. Their feelings are based on attitudes ... not reality.
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Old 02-10-2015, 02:56 PM   #25
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While true that all may suffer bad management....usually none are catastrophic as popping a plank....


Just basing it on my experience of 35 years of marine emergency response.
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While true that all may suffer bad management....usually none are catastrophic as popping a plank....


Just basing it on my experience of 35 years of marine emergency response.
Yes always was the thing I worried about the most as I have seen some pretty pointed boat nails come out of a hull being refastened . Always carried a gallon of bear shit or goop as we called it , copper nails , 6 foot square of each of the following , irish felt , lead sheeting and a sheet of 1/4 plywood . Plan was to drive the boat up on shore , brace under guards so it stays upright and patch hole with the materials mentioned . This was of course to patch a hole , not a popped plank as you would be lucky to get your mayday out and may be offshore at the time .
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You guys do know that trollers and trawlers are two entirely different things, right?
Very true! Have you read "The Troller Yacht Book" by George Buehler? I read it many years ago, primarily because I fell in love with his Diesel Duck designs for ocean cruising. Here's a description of the book from Amazon:

When boat designer George Buehler realized that he no longer wanted to cruise the world's oceans under sail, he decided to create a line of powerboats that sailors could love and anyone could afford. For inspiration, he turned to the light, lithe salmon trollers of the Pacific Northwest, among the most efficient, seaworthy, and beautiful powerboats ever built.
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