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Old 09-13-2018, 12:07 PM   #1
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Grand Alaskan 64 - owners advice?

We saw a nice 64 yesterday and really liked the layout. However, the swim step is "boxed" in and you can't easily step off to the dock without jumping over the side of the boat. How do current owners deal with this when docking? I'd hate to have either me or my wife slip when jumping onto a wet dock from the side boarding doors.

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Old 09-13-2018, 01:09 PM   #2
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My wife uses the cockpit side doors with no issues whatsoever - though she does also tend to use the rubbing strake as well if it is a bigger step.
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We've been on and off the vessel in question and have not seen an issue.
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When sterned in (like at the show), it is not a problem stepping on and off the swim step from the rear. What I am concerned with is using the cockpit side door to "jump" off a moving boat while docking in process. I'm not a fan of jumping off a boat to secure dock lines, either for myself or wife.

We really like the boat but are confounded by the engineering design of blocking off the swim step? Of course if we had dock assist every time we returned to our slip this would not be an issue as we would just throw the lines and let them tie the boat off, then we can safely get off the boat to fine tune the lines.

Am I being too cautious?
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Old 09-13-2018, 03:23 PM   #5
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Your call w8. Most larger vessels can indeed have boarding issues. My wife dislikes most if not all KKs due to boarding issues. Her views have not hurt KK's popularity.

We know the owners of the vessel you are mentioning. Neither are gymnasts. BTW, why jump off a moving boat?
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Old 09-13-2018, 03:38 PM   #6
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We're coming off a much smaller vessel, routine is for wife to step off the swim step and tie off the stern, then walk up to grab the bow line and tie off.

I'm trying to imagine what it would be like to step off the side door (I'm guessing about 18" high) onto a wet dock? We're going back today to measure the height and really look at the boat again from a live aboard perspective.

Ideally we wouldn't be stepping off a moving boat and our policy is to always go slow and no running when tying down the boat.

Thanks again for the feedback.
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Old 09-14-2018, 09:48 AM   #7
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Follow up, we looked at the boat again yesterday and took measurements. We really liked it and came closest to checking off all our requirements, but the 20" step down from the cockpit door to the dock is too risky for us. Shame as the boat is really nice otherwise.
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If the step down to the dock is too much, why not add a MarQuipt stair or gangway? Even a two or three step would do the trick and it can convert to a ramp if you donít use the stand-off. Their stuff is not cheap but the quality is there and it will last for decades. Our 6-step is at least 30 years old.....
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When sterned in (like at the show), it is not a problem stepping on and off the swim step from the rear. What I am concerned with is using the cockpit side door to "jump" off a moving boat while docking in process. I'm not a fan of jumping off a boat to secure dock lines, either for myself or wife.

We really like the boat but are confounded by the engineering design of blocking off the swim step? Of course if we had dock assist every time we returned to our slip this would not be an issue as we would just throw the lines and let them tie the boat off, then we can safely get off the boat to fine tune the lines.

Am I being too cautious?
Edit: I posted before I read all the replies. I see you and your wife arenít being risky about jumping off the boat.


You arenít being too cautious, you just arenít being cautious enough. ďJump off a moving boatĒ!? No way! You step off a boat that isnít moving relative to the dock.

Our boat has a cockpit door on the starboard side similar to the Grand Alaskan only not quite as high. My wife hates stepping off or on boats or dinghies. She is very capable, just very nervous. Even she doesnít have a problem. However, the rule is that she never ďjumpsĒ anywhere. We were just having this discussion over drinks with Alaskaprof this week. My wife doesnít like stepping off the swim step, which she has to do if we port tie.

Since the GA is a bit higher, there are temporary steps you can place at the cockpit door so it isnít as big a step if you like.
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Agreed, we don't jump off, we step off. But in this GA case we would have to "jump" down to the dock with the boat not secured (during docking). In our home port we can always call for line assist which would negate this issue. However we like to do a lot of Fall/Winter cruising and the thought of slipping on a wet dock is too risky for us. Stairs would help once the boat is secure, but the initial landing is what scares us off this boat. We're looking long term and have to be realistic about our age and doing everything we can to mitigate getting hurt while docking.
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Agreed, we don't jump off, we step off. But in this GA case we would have to "jump" down to the dock with the boat not secured (during docking). In our home port we can always call for line assist which would negate this issue. However we like to do a lot of Fall/Winter cruising and the thought of slipping on a wet dock is too risky for us. Stairs would help once the boat is secure, but the initial landing is what scares us off this boat. We're looking long term and have to be realistic about our age and doing everything we can to mitigate getting hurt while docking.


Very wise.

I have been using a Fender Step on the last three boats. Our Catalina 400 had a very high freeboard as does our North Pacific 43. The Fender Step allows us to step off the boat safely. I routinely step off and reboard our current boat at the pilothouse using the Fender Step and Iím 60 years old with very bad knees.

Just a thought. Iím sure there are other steps that can be placed over the threshold of the cockpit door. There are also boarding steps that can be mounted permanently on the outside that fold up against the hull.
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