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Old 12-19-2011, 04:28 PM   #21
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RE: Anybody ever seen another one of these aluminum tugs?

This tug-salvage ship has railings midship!
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Old 12-19-2011, 04:48 PM   #22
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RE: Anybody ever seen another one of these aluminum tugs?

I have no idea what railings have to do w sex but most are not attractive and many are worse. But I (like Mark) would'nt be w/o railings. I however refuse to have them as a forest of tubing on the bow. And I'm sorry to say Mark that most rails on metal boats are the least attractive of all the railings but if I was to inherit your boat I may not change a thing except perhaps on the very bow. Would depend on visibility. The rails on metal boats do look very stout and I'm quite sure they are and the appearance of strength has some merit also. And I think the tugs w/o railings are that way to not interfere w line handling. Also I think railings on metal boats should be painted a dark color that sorta matches the boat. As in try to make them disappear.
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Old 12-19-2011, 05:30 PM   #23
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RE: Anybody ever seen another one of these aluminum tugs?

I personally think the San Juan line of powerboats have the sweetest looking designs, largely due to the total lack of railings.
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Old 12-19-2011, 06:04 PM   #24
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This is the view I expect to have on a boat. In the pic my fwd hatch was refinished a long time ago.*
*I dunno Eric.* I find that hatch really distracting as it draws the eye away from what's out ahead of the boat.* Sort of like a big open sore in front of the scenery.* If it was my boat I'd either paint the hatch and glass the same color as the deck or, better yet, get rid of the hatch altogether and replace it with a flush hatch the same color and texture as the deck.

I'd also move those angled-down life-lines much farther*aft so they were out of my peripheral vision.* They block too much of the view forward and also cause the eye to be drawn to the sides of the sight picture instead of out front.

And that bow roller on top of the stem.... That thing's got to go.* Really distracting and annoying when I look at your picture.

See, the big advantage of a bow rail and pulpit is that it keeps the eye centered on the sight picture, and that's where the things are that you're going to hit.* So you see them right away because that's where your eyes are looking.* Your boat, on the other hand, has all this stuff that draws the eye away from what you're going to hit.* Very bad layout in my view.

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Old 12-19-2011, 06:57 PM   #25
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Anybody ever seen another one of these aluminum tugs?

I treasure the bow railings too.* They're handy while messing with the anchor as when stepping on the windlass's control buttons.* One of my selection criteria was for a 360-degree deck and railings.


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Old 12-19-2011, 08:24 PM   #26
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Anybody ever seen another one of these aluminum tugs?

You guys really got me feeling inferior and concerned about my masculinity. Here's a picture of my sissy railings and my sorry-ass, wimpy Bruce anchor.




Tomorrow, I'm going to the boat with a cutting torch to remove both. Maybe then I'll feel more like a man.


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Old 12-19-2011, 08:27 PM   #27
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Anybody ever seen another one of these aluminum tugs?

Oh wait a minute....If I remove the railings, the admiral won't go to the bow to help with the anchor.



I might have to rethink this plan. Maybe being a wimpy, sissy Captain with an inadequate Bruce isn't the worse thing...




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Old 12-19-2011, 09:17 PM   #28
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Your railings are fine. You might want to rethink that sorry-ass anchor, though. Since you've kept the railings your wife will still assist with whatever you replace the Bruce with.* So a win (railings)-win (wife assist)-win (decent anchor)*for you.


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Old 12-19-2011, 09:59 PM   #29
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Anybody ever seen another one of these aluminum tugs?

Fly, *Your railings look great and I take it you operate the boat from the FB so the're not even close to obstructing the view. Nice looking winch and wench and at least I even approve of the anchor. Not the best but you probably do'nt need the best ....whatever that is.

Marin, *I thought my picture drove my point home especially to a man working in visual communications. The bow roller is gone and replaced w a much bigger unit .....very highly polished. Too bright to be shown on this mostly trawler manly forum. I'm surprised nobody in Thorne Bay has given me flack about it. It'll look fine down in Washington. Keeping my eyes centered is hard as even my brain wanders especially on OTDE. My white vinyl "life lines" worked well in one of my pictures.*

Wrong pic. Here's the right one.

Mark I'm really suprised .....your railings look really great.*

In the first pic one can see my cap rails look good w the home made "teak oil".

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Old 12-19-2011, 10:07 PM   #30
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RE: Anybody ever seen another one of these aluminum tugs?

I was just hoping to keep my kids on the boat with adding a railing..l does that affect my manliness?
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Old 12-19-2011, 10:14 PM   #31
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No but having kids does.
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Anybody ever seen another one of these aluminum tugs?

I often drive from the lower helm, too, but never noticed the rails as a visual impairment, but rather, as visual guides for approximately 10, 30 and 45 degrees. The vertical rails help the admiral in estimating how much to turn via the autopilot.

I hesitate to post this video (click the frame to start video) of crossing San Pablo Bay, though, as Marin may feel my hatch is an oozing scab on my forward deck.* At least it's color matched to camoflage it's horrendous appearance.* Often, I just cover it with my dink to avoid the visual assault, kind of like an inflatable bandaid. (see above pictures) ;-)






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Old 12-19-2011, 10:53 PM   #33
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I couldn't see a damn thing. Those huge railings blocked everything forward plus I was all distracted by that big square thing on top of your forecabin. And that thing like looks like set of Mickey Mouse ears on a funnel frame right blocked all sorts of stuff, too. I'm amazed you didn't plow into that boat I got the occasional glimpse of through the massive bow railings. You're really tempting death driving around in a boat like that.
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Old 12-19-2011, 11:39 PM   #34
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RE: Anybody ever seen another one of these aluminum tugs?

I'll bet Al's anchor is a 33# Bruce/Claw similar to mine.* Hasn't failed me yet ... yet in the San Francisco estuary with its mostly shallow, heavy-mud bottoms.* Thank goodness for global warming.* If not, the shoreline would be at the Farallon Islands*and the "Bay" Area would be along*a narrow*river.
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RE: Anybody ever seen another one of these aluminum tugs?

Yes, I'm drawn to living on the edge where the air is thin and the consequence of failure is death. Arrrrrgh!!

Incidentally, that Mickey Mouse ears thingy of which you speak happens to be THE ULTIMATE MODEL 747 FAN, after which the Boeing 747 was proudly named. It is designed to keep the Captain cool and composed in the face of death defying acts.

As a bonus, it also is designed to protect his fingers when he forgets it's there and points carelessly at something shiny ahead of the boat.* Don't ask me how I know.
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I hesitate to post this video (click the frame to start video) of crossing San Pablo Bay ...
*I was expecting lots more spray over/hitting your pilothouse in sometimes-treacherous San Pablo Bay.* The Coot makes a bigger "splash" at a fraction of your speed.* More fun with less horsepower?
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Thank goodness for global warming.* If not, the shoreline would be at the Farallon Islands*and the "Bay" Area would be along*a narrow*river.
*You'll have to wait for global freezing--- that's coming next--- before that will happen.
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Incidentally, that Mickey Mouse ears thingy of which you speak happens to be THE ULTIMATE MODEL 747 FAN, after which the Boeing 747 was proudly named.
*Trivia for you--- why was the 747 named the 747?

Because, boys and girls, when Boeing decided to develop a jet transport prototype, it was given the code name 367-80.* This meant it was the 80th design study for an improved Model 367 Stratotanker (a piston*airplane derived from the Boeing B-50 which in turn was derived from the Boeing B-29).* It was hoped that giving the jet transport development project a number from an older piston plane would help mask what the company was actually doing from the competition*(it didn't).

When the Dash-80 as the jet transport came to be called was built, it was obvious that it wasn't a piston plane and that it heralded a new product line for Boeing.* From very early years Boeing's product lines all had numbers that meant something.* The 200 series were twin engine planes (except the 299 which was the prototype B-17), the 300 series were four engine transports, the 500 series were missiles (I think), and the 600 series were gas turbine engines*(I think).

In any event, when the Dash-80 came along, the next product line number was 700.* And that's what the company was going to call the production derivative of the Dash-80.* But Boeing's ad agency said that "Boeing 700" sounded kind of clunky and dull.* They suggested "Boeing 707" which had a snappier ring to it.* Bill Allen, the company's CEO didn't give a hoot in hell*what the plane was called and if*the PR department*went all weepy eyed over*the sound of "707" then 707 was just fine with him.

The 747 is simply the sixth model in the 700 series aircraft.* The ones before were 707, 717 (Boeing's model number for the KC-135 tanker), 720 (a variant of the 707), 727, and 737.

When we acquired McDonnell Douglas in the late 1990s*all their airplane models except the MD-95 and the C-17 were immediately killed off.* We kept the short to mediumm range*MD-95 alive for awhile thinking that it had a viable market (it didn't).**Since it was going to be a "Boeing" airplane it*needed a Boeing number but which one?*

The next model number in line was 787 and we weren't going to give a number higher than our latest plane, the 777, to a warmed over DC-9.* Then someone remembered the number 717 which had been Boeing's number for the KC-135 but a number that was never used with the public or the military.* So "717" was dusted off and stuck on the MD-95.* That way, if the MD-95/717 was a dud (it was) nobody would really remember it even existed since its number came before the long-discontinued 727.

Too bad, in a way. I did some marketing support work for the 717, travelling to Greece, Hawaii, and other locations where there were airlines that had purchased them.* It was actually a very nice plane, far, far*superior to the previous*DC-9 models and derivatives*in almost every way.* But it had what Boeing considers a fatal flaw in an airplane design, and that was a limited capacity and range which greatly limited its flexibility (a major word at Boeing).* Enlarging the 717 would have moved it*into a market where we already had a superior entry in every way, the Next Generation 737.* So we put a bullet into the 717's head and that was that.
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Rails are good. *I use mine for taking quick relative bearings using the stanchions. *Other boat moving ahead of the stanchion, I will pass behind. *If he moves*behind the stanchion, I will pass ahead of him. *If he stays constant with the stanchion-------DANGER! *Unless something is altered we will shortly be trying to occupy the same space.

This is a public service message. *No thanks needed.

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