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Old 10-17-2012, 02:55 AM   #1
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48' US Navy Trawler

1955 US Navy Trawler Power Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

This trawler is posted on Yacht World. Believe it to be a new listing.
Tell me what you think, rip it apart if you must.
What I'm seeing;

A good DD 971
Huge aft deck for scuba diving and drinking. (Not at the same time)
Large fuel tanks. Would this boat get two miles to a gallon?
Small holding tank,,, really 12 gallons, can that be correct?
What about the wood hull, how much of a problem is that?
Has an extra gen set,,,,
Can it cross the Pacific?

Looking forward to your repies,

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Old 10-17-2012, 05:59 AM   #2
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Looks to me like someone purchases a navy launch , and built up the hull to the boat you see.

Weather they did a great job to create an offshore vessel would require a NA survey , not a condition survey.

Simplest is to ask a question , How thick is the glass in the deck house?

If its 1/4in glass the boat should go in blue water as deck cargo , 3/4 might be key to take a look at the rest of the boat.

My avatar is a later GRP Navy 50 Utility , many have been built up to great cruisers , but even with the superb hull construction , they are very hard to turn into a blue water boat.
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Old 10-17-2012, 06:00 AM   #3
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Old 10-17-2012, 10:03 AM   #4
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Its wood unless you are young and want to spend all your free time in upkeep then do not make an offer
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Old 10-17-2012, 11:55 AM   #5
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I don't think being young has much to do w most boat maint. Granted I don't sand or scrape much of the bottom of my boat anymore and cramped space in the engine compartment gives my old body some arthritic pain but generally speaking maint should have little to do w age HOWEVER .... I'm only 72.

Re this boat the wood factor is dependent on condition. If the boat needs to be refastened that's a fairly big negative. I would buy most any wood boat in excellent condition. Don't even offer $10 until you've got a good survey to work with. If the survey comes out iffy consider the damaged parts. Wood boats are made up of many pieces of wood parts and any one can be replaced. Some planks are very easy to replace but others deep in the keel or "deadwood" can be very difficult to replace. It would also help if the boat was made of wood that is commonly available. Get a surveyor that specializes in wood const.
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Old 10-17-2012, 06:02 PM   #6
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Howdy and Ahoy!

I recommend before you purchase a BIG old wood boat that you read this entire thread titled: " I'm about to start a project on an older Chris Craft"... the link is below: "

Be SURE to see the rot repair pictures on pgs 1 thru 4. Now, I'm not saying that the Navy boat you are looking at is in same condition - BUT - You'd best make sure it isn't before purchase... or you'll enter into a world of hurt!

http://www.trawlerforum.com/forums/s...raft-6833.html

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Old 10-17-2012, 09:16 PM   #7
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Before buying a wood hull boat, try working for free on a friends boat - non-stop.
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Old 10-17-2012, 09:38 PM   #8
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El Sea,
I'd much rather work on a wood hull than a rotten cored deck of a FG boat. And anybody buying any boat should do so w their eyes wide open and having through surveys done irregardless of what the boat was built of. And usually wood boats are worth fixing because in the end you'll have a better boat. Lighter, stronger, better looking, more efficient, quieter and subject to less vibration. Some people think anything that is more modern is better but I will admit there is more painting to be done on a wood boat. But lots of people actually like painting boats. Marin says he does but then he covers up his wood even while cruising?????? I like painting to a degree but prepping is kind of a drag. But for most things (except painting) a wood boat is a better boat.
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Guru,

I like the look of wood and admire those that have the heart to maintain a classic woody. But you have to admit it requires a very strong commitment.
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Marin says he does but then he covers up his wood even while cruising??????
I think I've answered this before, Eric. We keep our exterior teak covered most of the time because the boat lives in the weather and my schedule doesn't give me the kind of time needed to refinish a lot of the exterior teak properly. Some years I don't get much of a chance to work on it at all. For example between now and Christmas I'm scheduled to go to four different countries around the world. I'll be home for about seven days total between Nov 3 and Christmas.

Add to this the often rainy weather here and our opportunities to properly strip, prep, and finish exterior teak are not many. Maybe I'll get one or two coats of finish on a piece and then not have a chance to do any more for a year. Smaller pieces like grab rails I try to take off and take home to properly refinish. But handrails, caprails, bow pulpit, transom etc. don't lend themselves to being taken home.

So for now we do what we can to either preserve the too-little finish we've had a chance to put on or forestall any further deterioration of exterior teak in the weather. Hence the covers, which we usually do take off for our longer cruise each year. But for our weekend cruises to the islands throughout the year it's not worth the time and effort to take all the covers off and put them back on the next day or the day after.

I really enjoy working with the wood and if I had the time to properly deal with it---- heat stripping, finish sanding, three or four coats of CPES followed by ten coats of Bristol--- we'd have no need for the covers. There are some pieces of wood on the boat--- antenna mounting blocks and other things I've made--- that were given this treatment ten years ago and have not had to be touched since and they have no covers on them ever. These pieces are why I know Bristol is superior to any other bright finish on the market, at least in this climate.

So even if we wanted to pay to put the boat in a boathouse for a month or whatever to do all the exterior wood properly, I don't have the time. After I retire, maybe. But not now and not for the next several years. So we use the covers as a way of protecting what we've got until the day comes we have the time to do a piece or a section properly.

If people don't like the look of the covers, tough noogies. We don't either, particularly in that color. We do it so we don't create even more work for ourselves up the road.
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Sorry Marin ... I really didn't mean to pick on you. And I'm glad you like do'in the work.

We had a covered slip in LaConner and will go back there when we're through doing the maint work at Latitude Marine. Then we plan to put new windows in and much else when we're back under cover. We may spend a good part of the summer working on the boat. Wish we had a FG "no-maint" boat.
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Gents,

Thank for the comments. No one wants to guess what the fuel usage would be...? :-)

I've ask the broker for more information. I sure like the aft deck, cover that and install a dive compressor and tank holders, I'd be in business.

Anyway, have ask, when it was last refastened. Among other things. I would never purchase a boat without a survey. Remember, I'm a newbie. Have not a clue what I'm doing here...... LOL

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Gents,

Thank for the comments. No one wants to guess what the fuel usage would be...? :-)

I've ask the broker for more information. I sure like the aft deck, cover that and install a dive compressor and tank holders, I'd be in business.

Anyway, have ask, when it was last refastened. Among other things. I would never purchase a boat without a survey. Remember, I'm a newbie. Have not a clue what I'm doing here...... LOL

Bill
Bill - Off the cuff, a pure guesstimate/estimate... 2.5 to 3 gph at below hull speed, let's say 6 knots through the water speed (land speeds depend on current speeds and tide direction). You need a real good marine surveyor and marine mechanic. Be careful of info/opinions from a broker... especially if he is listing the boat for sale.
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Sorry Marin ... I really didn't mean to pick on you. And I'm glad you like do'in the work.

We had a covered slip in LaConner and will go back there when we're through doing the maint work at Latitude Marine. Then we plan to put new windows in and much else when we're back under cover. We may spend a good part of the summer working on the boat. Wish we had a FG "no-maint" boat.
Eric - May I respectfully recommend Tollycraft... with no wood on its exterior!

Lowest maintenance, sturdiest, best laid out, and most fun to play with "cruiser" boats I've found. OK, "Trawler" if you must! lol - Art
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Eric - May I respectfully recommend Tollycraft... with no wood on its exterior!
All the wood on the steel (no wood core) Coot is interior.

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Weather the hull is wood GRP steel is of no importance if the boat is not suitable for the voyages required.

3 GPH would be a good guess , and with 4000 mile legs required an extra 10% over empty tanks is required.

4000 miles at 6 K would be 500 hours of motoring.

That 1500 gal , plus an extra 150 for contingencies.

My navy launch was built with 2 - 100G tanks , a long way from 1650G.
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All the wood on the steel (no wood core) Coot is interior.

Verrrry pretty Coot, Mark!

On last pict - my family raises a cup-o-Joe to you!

No wood on Tolly exterior except a white painted 1" x 4" trim-post at slider door front.
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So what your'e saying Mark is that the parent material is unacceptable so you need to add lots of weight (in the form of wood) to the boat to make it pretty enough to be acceptable. Same can be said of lots of FG boats so it's no wonder they are so heavy. My cabin is sheathed in 3/4" plywood to attain enough strength to be acceptable. But FG and steel is considerably heavier than wood w/o the wood reinforcement or trim so they pay twice the penalty.

Wood boats are better in this regard.
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No can question that wood is a strong material for boat building, we have sailed wooden ship for A 1000years . The fact still remains upkeep on a wood especially an OLD wood boat requires many hours and energy To me , no where near worth it
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