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Outlaw 02-05-2009 01:57 PM

The Salmon Troller WHITE CLOUD
found this troller for sale. am now on the hunt for the owner. if i buy it, i will turn it into a Troller Cruiser. it's 40'x12', depth-?. it's a converted sail boat. have not been inside to check it all out and see if it's really worth anything. but from what i have seen it look's somewhat ok. yep, some work is needed and some changes do need to be done. so what do you all think? thanks for looking.


LarryW 02-05-2009 02:48 PM

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If I were even 10 years younger and willing to get rid of the wife, hell yeah, I'd do it.

Daddyo 02-05-2009 06:00 PM

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She's got great lines! It's always easy to tell someone else to go for it so, GO FOR IT!

Carey 02-05-2009 06:42 PM

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A little brutal honesty here.*I dont' object to the overall vessel, but the hull and house aren't of the same era, or designer. It doesn't work. My opinion only, but I know what I like, and there, I've said it. Sorry! Keep looking. Find an all original, where everything works. Or, you could change the forward sloped windshield to vertical.

** * * * * * * *Carey

Outlaw 02-05-2009 07:04 PM

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thanks guys. the house is all steel, so no it's not original. i like the hull lines and i like double enders. i would have to put some nice wood on most of the house and keep it natural. that may look a little better. i have to track down the owner first as he is someplace in Alaska. i have the pic's on the commerical fishing site so hopefully someone will see it and know him. anyway's i still keep on a lookin. if i can get this boat for a very resonal price and it checks out ok, i will probably buy it, but of course if something else comes along . any ways thanks for lookin and all your oppinions.well just found out more about her. yeah the original house is different. saw that and the new house being put on. she was built in 1928. has a perkins in with low hr's. 7 knots at 1.5 gall's. per hour. asking $20,000. ok, now give me some brutal oppinions. i was thinking after looking at her today, somewhere around $5,000 to maybe $10,000. so will see what i'll do. thanks.

-- Edited by Outlaw at 20:19, 2009-02-05

sunchaser 02-05-2009 07:44 PM

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Very spartan vessel. To get this to an acceptable level, you will have to be*really handy at rebuilding and fixing and electrics and etc. What are your cruising plans for this vessel? Is there any space for hanging out other than the pilothouse? What does your wife/girlfriend think.

Codger2 02-05-2009 08:16 PM

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You ask for "brutal".......I wouldn't touch that boat for $1,000!! Keep more for a later model....that boat will empty your pockets to put it in decent cruising shape. If you want a project, buy a hull from Atlantic and finish it off.


PeterMcc 02-05-2009 08:44 PM

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There's always the romance of an old-timey vessel that pull the heart strings. This hull surely does that. Two issues, tho: first the steel house is a lot of weight (not talking about appearance) up high on a rather narrow hull. I bet she's a roller. Adding to that, the double-enders of that era with the narrow sterns have a reputation for dragging down the stern under way, making the stability issue even more significant.

I'd be looking for a hull like a limit seiner with a round stern and a lot of bearing aft. If you could find on with a rather narrow beam like this boat, the resulting running economy would be a bonus.

I hope you'll keep looking.

Outlaw 02-05-2009 09:46 PM

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yep, i am still looking. i also found a45'x11'-8.5" Wahl, 1946. the price is right on this one, has a Izuza 6bd1 - hp 145. this one is original. waiting for some more info on this. i looked at the Wahl story and they were one of the best boat builders around for PNW fishing boats. it's not a double ender but thats ok. will let ya know more later. thanks for all your comments and yes i do know boats and i do respect all your comments. thanks.


Nomad Willy 02-05-2009 10:07 PM

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Looks like the Ballard bridge in the background. Your'e at fishermans warf right ?
A very pronounced fish form hull* ..* wide and full fwd, narrow and slim aft.*I'd really like to see her wake at hull speed. For those of you with wide assed flat stern boats* ..* look at this boat. It is about as efficent as one can get with a given disp and beam. The only general catergory boat more efficent that I can think of is a low wetted surface sail boat* .. ok relatively low. When fuel gets really really expensive most*trawlers will look like this.

Eric Henning*

Outlaw 02-05-2009 11:13 PM

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eric, yep thats where she's at, the wharf. you have been there no doubt. yeah, would really like to take her out and see if that ass end will really drag. i don't no. she's been fished in Alaska so has seen some pretty rough stuff. it had two mast on her so she was a ketch at one time. this boat must have some crazy history. i keep lookin at her but think i will pass on this one. will look at the 1946 Wahl 45' troller. it may be a better boat, will see.


FF 02-06-2009 04:21 AM

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If you have enough space to live well below deck, the conversion would not be hard.

If you "need" a 3 story Roomaran , you will have to renmove the deck and build the apartment house on the hull.

Our Lobster conversion has the space of perhaps a 35 ft sailboat below.

But good galley ,good comfortable dinette Queen bed (no standing headroom in Fwd stateroom tho) , and a 15x10 rear deck work fine for cruising .Does the ICW and a loop with great comfort and minimum hassles.

Go for it IF you can live with the living volume constraints.


Nomad Willy 02-06-2009 05:14 PM

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*** If that boat is not pushed beyond 7.5 to 8 knots it positively will not " drag " if by " drag " you mean squat or run bow high - stern low.
*** We have an old fish boat here in Thorne Bay that is longer, narrower and deeper than my Willy .. the Susan B. It's very over powered with a 3-53 DD.
*** I'm with the other guys on maintance .. wouldn't get near it. But like most of the other guys I'm an old man. I'd have Lynn Reister take a look at it .. she really knows wood boats. Look under surveyors .. Seattle.

Eric Henning

Outlaw 02-06-2009 08:36 PM

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thanks all. have talked to George Buehler about the boat and sent him the pic's of it. he thought the boat would be ok, but then again he has not eseen it and i am haveing trouble with dock street broker talking to me about it. hmmm, wonder why,$20,000. what a joke. that boat has been there sitting for over a year. i'll try and get em to let me get inside so i can see whats there before i put a survayer on it. i am old too but i always like a good project. will see what happens. thanks for all your help. yep i do know what i am looking at. thanks.


RickB 02-06-2009 09:20 PM

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Didn't the broker give you any information about the boat?<a href=""></a>

Outlaw 02-06-2009 09:50 PM

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no, i asked them about it but they haven't got back to me as yet. 2 days now. i am busy this weekend so maybe i'll call em and see what they would like to i need to get inside the boat to see if i want to take this any farther.


LarryW 02-07-2009 03:56 AM

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Those two bow shots on the hard looks kind of like it has something going on at the Stem. Looks like a decorative patch at waterline. Shows on one side but not the other. I'd want a closer look at that.

Outlaw 02-07-2009 10:01 AM

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yeah, i saw that, i got a good look at it from the outside, doesn't seem like it is hurting the planking, that's why i need to get inside.


RickB 02-07-2009 11:06 AM

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"... doesn't seem like it is hurting the planking ..."

Uh, guys,* I don't want to sound rude or anything but Outlaw, are you sure you are ready to get into something like an old wooden workboat?

That "patch" on the side of the bow is* ironbark. It is there to protect the hull from the anchor. This is as fundamental to older wooden workboats as a rudder. Look around at the wood boats at Fisherman's and you will see* a layer of ironbark forward on most of them, most on both sides from the waterline up to protect agains ice damage and the anchor flukes.

-- Edited by RickB at 12:24, 2009-02-07

Codger2 02-07-2009 12:53 PM

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Now <u>that's interesting and informative</u>...(RickB's comment that is) I did not know that and have no problem accepting the statement as written. It makes perfect sense! These kinds of comments are why I check this forum daily.


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