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db2 10-18-2019 11:55 AM

Flush Raw Water System
 
I would like to acid flush the raw water systems of my Cat 3208 engines. Does muriatic acid mixed 15 to 1 with fresh water make a good flushing chemical. The commercial flushes seem expensive.

FoxtrotCharlie 10-18-2019 12:10 PM

Barnacle Buster is about $80/gal and makes 5 gal after mixing with water. Works great, but I'm sure someone can chime in with a 'homemade' version that works also, using the same chemicals.

Comodave 10-18-2019 12:38 PM

I use BB also, worked great.

NWSeadog 10-18-2019 01:05 PM

I'm a Barnacle Buster believer also. I put the mix in a 5 gallon bucket then circulate it though the system with a cheap bilge pump. Be sure to remove any engine / cooler zincs when using it.

djmarchand 10-18-2019 01:13 PM

I worked in the chemical cleaning industry early in my career. We used a 30% solution of muriatic acid in water for dissolving heavy water scale on heat exchanger tubes, the same thing at work in your raw water system. That dilution gives you a solution that is about 10% HCl by weight as commercial muriatic acid is about 32%.


We found that scale dissolving capability dies off at about 5% HCl by weight or about 6 parts water to 1 of acid.


So 15:1 is way too low.

Barnacle Buster is based on phosphoric acid I think. It doesn't produce the same irritating fumes that muriatic acid does, but it doesn't work as well. But it seems to work well enough.

David

dhays 10-18-2019 01:57 PM

I started flushing the raw water system with fresh water after every use. My hope is that it will reduce the buildup of deposits and rust.

Pau Hana 10-18-2019 02:13 PM

Another voter for Barnacle Buster here- worked wonders on my 3208TAs.

porman 10-18-2019 03:08 PM

Our engines get flushed with fresh water during the 2 hour trip from the locks to our slip in Lake Washington. This winter I will be removing and checking the heat exchangers, oil coolers, exhaust elbows, and aftercoolers for the first time in their life after 17 years and 2000 engine hours. I'll report on what I find.

firehoser75 10-18-2019 05:26 PM

My cooling system (raw water side) was completely "cleaned" off the engine in early 2017. Just today, I replaced my gear oil cooler with a new one that has zincs (the old one does not). The saltwater side of my old gear cooler was "spotless", however, I freshwater flush my engine as often as I can, and store the engine with a solution of "salt away" inside for the winter. I have an oil pan heater that runs throughout the winter and freezing temps are rare here in southern (coastal) BC.
I am a big believer in the benefits of freshwater flushing, and it only takes about 10 minutes to do it.
Tom

ben2go 10-18-2019 08:19 PM

$29 for a gallon of Barnical Buster or $135 for a kit with descaler solution.


https://www.amazon.com/Barnacle-Bust...language=en_US




https://www.amazon.com/Mainstream-Ma...language=en_US

Puffin_NT32 10-21-2019 08:52 AM

I did a Barnacle Buster recirculating flush of my engine several years ago. It did a good job, and it's much cheaper than Rydlyme. For the last couple of years I've been using a product called "Acid Magic". It's a buffered (no skin irritation) muriatic acid product used for cleaning pools. Costs about $10 per gallon. I've been up in a fresh water river slip for the last several years, so I end up doing a fresh water flush coming and going. Now as part of winterization, I pour in a 10:1 solution of Acid Magic into raw water side, let it sit for an hour or so, then flush with 6 gallons of fresh water and a box of baking soda to neutraize any acid, followed by a fresh water flush. Don't forget to plug you're raw water hose going into any dripless shaft seal. Any acid MAY cause damage to the bellows. After 14 seasons, I had a leaking gasket on my Cummins 6BTA heat exchanger. Replaced the end cap and gasket this year and interior of heat exchanger was perfectly clean.

MV Wanderlust 10-21-2019 10:25 AM

As David said, 15:1 is a weak enough ratio to be pretty much ineffective. He knows chemical stuff.

Muriatic acid is "old school" and was the solution to use for years. I've seen a couple of times where, used wrong, it can actually damage thinner metals. Makes me leary of the stuff.

Barnacle Buster is Phosphoric acid with a couple of other non-corrosive chemicals added in. It dissolves organic matter without damaging metal or rubber. Instead of paying $80 per gallon for Barnacle Buster, I go to Home Depot and pick up a gallon of phosphoric acid in the paint department for about $17. I fill a 5 gal bucket about half full and pour in the acid. It's a little stronger than the recommended mix of BB but it does the trick very nicely on our engines, generator, and a/c units.

John

w8n4sun 10-21-2019 10:44 AM

I haven't done this before and would love to see pics of your setups, adapters for tapping into the cooling systems hoses and such. Heck, bonus if you have Cat 3196 mains? Thanks

djmarchand 10-21-2019 11:09 AM

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Here are a couple of pics of the setup to circulate Barnacle Buster through the raw water system of a Yanmar 6LY.

The first is the bucket with the hose to the injection elbow pulled off and stuck in the bucket. There is a small bilge pump in the bucket which discharges to the clear braided hose in the picture. The hose taped to the injection elbow is a water hose to supply water to it so I could run the engine periodically to keep it warm. Outside temps when I did this were in the mid 40s.

The second pic is of the discharge hose connected to the outlet hose from the removed raw water pump using pvc fittings. Note the mounting place for the pump is blanked off so I could run the engine and not get oil all over the place.

Other engines can be done more or less the same way. If it isn't easy to get to the raw water pump discharge, then remove the impeller, reinstall the outer plate and hook up to the raw water supply hose from the strainer. Make sure and clamp off any raw water hose to the prop shaft gland and remove all zincs and reinstall the brass plugs.

David

w8n4sun 10-21-2019 11:29 AM

Thanks!


Why do you need to clamp off the prop shaft gland, is the flushing fluid bad for the gland?


Btw I like your fresh water adaptor to the top of your raw water strainer.

ranger42c 10-21-2019 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by w8n4sun (Post 813318)
Why do you need to clamp off the prop shaft gland, is the flushing fluid bad for the gland?

If you mean the dripless shaft seal hose, it's because the "product" (BB, Rydlyme, whatever) disappears overboard out through the shaft seals if used in a recirculating process.

-Chris

w8n4sun 10-21-2019 12:10 PM

D'oh, that was a dumb question!

Comodave 10-21-2019 01:19 PM

It is a PITA to remove my impellers to recirculate the BB so I used a Sea Flush to suck the BB into the engine through the strainer. When the 5 gallons has been sucked in I shut down the engine and let it sit for about 7 hours then start the engine and flush the BB out the exhaust. My engine temps dropped 5 degrees on one engine and 10 degrees on the other engine. Doing it this way takes about 5 minutes to get the BB into the engine.

MV Wanderlust 10-21-2019 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Comodave (Post 813352)
It is a PITA to remove my impellers to recirculate the BB so I used a Sea Flush to suck the BB into the engine through the strainer. When the 5 gallons has been sucked in I shut down the engine and let it sit for about 7 hours then start the engine and flush the BB out the exhaust. My engine temps dropped 5 degrees on one engine and 10 degrees on the other engine. Doing it this way takes about 5 minutes to get the BB into the engine.

My impellers are easy to get to and I still use the Sea Flush approach. So darned convenient!

Comodave 10-21-2019 02:18 PM

Yes, the Sea Flush is definitely a great system. I am getting ready to use mine to winterize my engines hopefully on Thursday if the yard gets the other boats in the barn so we can go in last. No affiliation just a really satisfied customer.


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