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Pedro 02-16-2018 12:36 PM

Trawler Prospect
 
Hi friends, I am a longtime boater with experience in sailing and motorboats. I am contemplating buying a trawler for Ocean cruising, and hope to find some of my answers in this forum.

So far I have no idea what to buy, except that I wand something with 50' waterline or more.

RT Firefly 02-16-2018 12:50 PM

Greetings,
Welcome aboard.

ranger42c 02-16-2018 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedro (Post 636912)
Hi friends, I am a longtime boater with experience in sailing and motorboats. I am contemplating buying a trawler for Ocean cruising, and hope to find some of my answers in this forum.

So far I have no idea what to buy, except that I wand something with 50' waterline or more.

Hum a few more bars about what "ocean cruising" means to you.

Miami to FLL? Miami to Nassau? Miami to England? Miami to Hawaii?

-Chris

Comodave 02-16-2018 02:57 PM

Welcome aboard.

Pedro 02-16-2018 03:05 PM

How about Miami to Rio, ultimately.

Russell Clifton 02-16-2018 05:21 PM

Well sir. Put this on the very top of your list of must haves: Very large fuel capacity. Second thing on you list: Very good fuel economy.

tiltrider1 02-16-2018 06:57 PM

Third thing, lots of money.

Pedro 02-17-2018 05:32 AM

I haven't as yet started to visit boats, just studying in the net. What appeals to me right now is a Nordhavn 55.

GregBrannon 02-17-2018 06:39 AM

Welcome!

If the N55 is within your budget, look at the Kadey Krogen 55 Expedition. I don't know if the waterline length meets your requirement, but I can't imagine it not meeting every other one you might have.

Best of luck!

OldDan1943 02-17-2018 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedro (Post 637124)
I haven't as yet started to visit boats, just studying in the net. What appeals to me right now is a Nordhavn 55.

Based upon my experience with the N46, the 55 should be a excellent ocean going boat.

Make sure you get active stabilizers too. Coming down from LI on my 46, one night was moderately rough. The waves were coming back to pilot house windows, and the stabilizers were working like a champ.

The ONLY down side of a Nordhavn is the 8-9knt speed. It may take you a while to get 'there' but you will be safe, secure and comfortable. The Nordhavn will survive the storm long after you have tied yourself to the helm chair.

Check on the bow thruster HP (maybe 'up' it for wind and current) of the bow thruster and give consideration to a stern thruster too.

Oh, and the 'get home' engine too.

You can still find some 46 for sale, if you hunt around. I spent big bucks reworking the forward stateroom to include a full length hanging closet and lots of usable drawers, on the starboard side. Raised the port berth about 4 inches for additional storage making it about 3-4 inches wider, more than doubled the HP of the bow thruster.

The KK and American Tugs are great coastal boats but, in an offshore storm I'm not sure if you would be comfortable on either of those boats. Difficult if not impossible to install active stabilizers.

South of Heaven 02-17-2018 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by OldDan1943 (Post 637142)

The KK and American Tugs are great coastal boats but, in an offshore storm I'm not sure if you would be comfortable on either of those boats. Difficult if not impossible to install active stabilizers.

Dan, cmon! Have you read about this TF member on a KK 42?? I'm sure he would have something to say about your "coastal boat" comment as he's crossing the Atlantic! Lol

https://dauntlessatsea.com

OldDan1943 02-17-2018 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by South of Heaven (Post 637152)
Dan, cmon! Have you read about this TF member on a KK 42?? I'm sure he would have something to say about your "coastal boat" comment as he's crossing the Atlantic! Lol

https://dauntlessatsea.com

Granted there are exceptions to every rule and the 42 no doubt has a draft of about 4ft. So I guess it should be possible to install active stabilizers.

Every successful cruise depends upon planning and skill.

I still vote for the Nordhavn but, if you cant find a suitable Nordhavn, the Kady Krogen is more than worthy of considering. Get out there and seek them out.

sunchaser 02-17-2018 09:21 AM

If the N55 meets your objectives, consider a much newer N52 for the same money. Read James Hamilton's blog site about the N52 Dirona.

dhays 02-17-2018 09:38 AM

Welcome Pedro! First off, I have to admit to being a bit envious of you for having both the time and money to be able to consider long term ocean cruising.

I am but a coastal cruiser myself, but if I was looking at boats for your purposes I would also be looking hard at the Nordhavn and KK as others have mentioned. Good luck with the search and your future adventures.

Larry M 02-17-2018 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by OldDan1943 (Post 637142)
.....The KK....are great coastal boats but, in an offshore storm I'm not sure if you would be comfortable on either of those boats. Difficult if not impossible to install active stabilizers.

A lot of Krogens have stabilizers. Over 48’ most do and are active stabilizers.

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Originally Posted by OldDan1943 (Post 637156)
Granted there are exceptions to every rule and the 42 no doubt has a draft of about 4ft. So I guess it should be possible...

The design draft of a KK42 is 4’7” at half load. At full load it’s almost 5’. Active stabilzers are very common on the KK42.

I wouldn’t rule out the KK55 Expedition model. It has great livability and is a passage maker. Twin 158 hp John Deers with each drive train having a skeg to protect the shafts and rudders. At 8 knots, 2400 mile range with a 10% reserve and at 7 knots 4300 mile range.

Fletcher500 02-17-2018 10:09 AM

Delete - my error, posted to the wrong thread.

healhustler 02-17-2018 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by OldDan1943 (Post 637142)

The KK and American Tugs are great coastal boats but, in an offshore storm I'm not sure if you would be comfortable on either of those boats. Difficult if not impossible to install active stabilizers.

Puzzled by that comment. So many active stabilizers doing regular duty on all lengths of KK’s, save for the gunk holing Manatee 36 (only 3’2”) and there’s even two successful examples of that.

Stickman 02-17-2018 10:21 AM

Are you following the 90/10 rule? Buy the boat for how you'll use it 90% of the time. We looked at NH and KK for a few years. Settled on the KK for 90% of the time we will not be in rough seas, far in open blue water, days from land. The KK should do fine crossing to Bermuda, the caribbean loop, maybe beyond, with a little weather planning, and perhaps toughing out a few bad circumstances over many years. The other 90% of days we're happy with the KK floor plan and ride.

Have friends that have had NH 55 and 64 and loved them.

IRENE 02-17-2018 10:43 AM

Hello Pedro,

If also considering the exit strategy, the Kadey Krogen or Nordhavn probably offers you the most flexibility and speed when the time comes to sell. I have seen many very nice (mostly steel) passagemakers languish on the market for far too long.

Best Wishes

Pedro 02-17-2018 10:55 AM

Since I plan to buy an used boat, but not so old that would require a lot of work, wouldn't it be possible that in the end availability will dictate the choice between the two brands? At present I am searching the US East Coast only, for boats 2010 and newer.


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