Solar Panels in the PNW: One case study.

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We have 435 watts of Panels, wired in parallel to a Blue sky energy MPPT controller. The house bank is 1125 AH, 10 Trojan 105's. The starter bank is isolated from the house bank with a Blue Seas ACR which is switched to off most of the time--the starter bank has its own dedicated charger and monitoring of the bank voltages indicated it was fully charged when at anchor. The power demands are typically 200-250 AH per day, depending on the outside temperature. The inverter is switched to off unless we want to use an AC appliance or lighting.

The 2017 cruising season:

May 18-August 29, 2,239 NM with 79 days off shore power. Most of that time was north of Cape Caution, with overcast skies or rain. Genset run-time was17 hours or about 13 minutes per day on average. It could have been about 2 hours less, but we ran the washer and dryer once when at anchor. I can only recall a couple of occasions when the SOC was less than 85%. I should add that I wasn't particularly anal about NOT using the genny. If I was "ultra eco" I could have ran it less. Before solar, we typically ran the genny 1.5 hours twice a day for a total of 3 hours and we never got the bank up past 90% when at anchor.

Yes, the battery bank is typically fully charged after a run and we travelled long distances this year. But we typically arrive at anchorages before 2:00 pm, so there is a considerable period when we are on solar power.


I consider the panels a worthwhile "investment" and they exceeded my expectations for success.

Jim
 
Jim, what was your reasoning for connecting the panels in parallel esp. since you have an MPPT controller ? I hope this thread does not lead to a mass debate etc..... just askin' frank b.
 
I had originally wanted to go series, but was advised to go parallel because going series would have been “out of specifications” for this model of controller. The advisor with the vendor had a P.Eng. in electrical engineering and mentioned that in very low temperature situations the voltage from the panels could have exceeded specs. Probably would not occur but that was the advice I received. I hope I represented his reason correctly.

It had been an expensive spring getting the boat in the water and I went with a lower cost controller in this instance. I might upgrade at a later date.

Jim
 
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The overriding negative in my mind to series panel installation is that if one panel is shaded it can block the output of all in the string. A minor negative to parallel panel installation is that it takes bigger wire due to the higher current in parallel.

So unless the location is entirely shade free I would wire in parallel. Also check the voltage input spec of the controller as noted above as you can easily exceed its rating if you wire in series.

David
 
Interesting. Thanks for sharing Jim. I am considering adding solar.....
 
We have 600w in parallel and have similar experience.
 
Good to hear a positive report from north of Cape Caution :thumb:
 
Thank you for sharing. Ever since seeing an install on a KK42 I've been very interested in solar. Given our ENORMOUS pilothouse roof we could install quite the panel array with little impact to the operation or appearance of the boat.

Good to learn about a real world example in the PNW.
 
I'd love to hear from Jim and Bob what panels you guys are using.

Solar will be a definite addition that I'll be doing in the Spring.
 
Sabre: I have 3 145 watt panels for "hazardous environments" by Invensun. They happened to maximize the footprint I had available for panels.
http://www.invensun.com/solar-panels/heavy-duty-and-hazardous

Tator: I have the larger Novacool side-by-side fridge and freezer units. I don't recall the model numbers. They run at about 4-5 amps each.

Jim
 
I have 600 watts in two panels, mppt Outback controller and have not started the generator this year. In fact, I’m neglecting the little monster as she needs an oil change and probably a zinc. The only reason to have it now (except for emergencies) is to heat water. I have only 4 - 6 volt batteries and I am in float by noon on an average day. A total no-brainer for me, now I am investigating a solar collector system to heat my water vs using the inverter on a dedicated circuit and use the excess solar power to heat water.
 
This is what I have installed. I used the SW 300 panels.
 

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Jim / xbank......can you give us an idea of the hardware cost for your installations?
 
"About" $1600 I think. I installed it. Best place for solar is the Top of The Hill Market in Powell River. Andy is very knowledgeable and has the best prices. He said he can beat anyone for batteries. Shipping is "creative." Ask him?
 
Jim / xbank......can you give us an idea of the hardware cost for your installations?

About $1,900. First stuff is more expensive in Canada and my particular panels are for "extreme environments" so more expensive than more generic panels. Second, mine is a parallel install there is 3 times the cost for cabling and breakers. Third, it turns out that my install is meets "code" for residential installation, with over current protection before and after the controller and grounding of each of the panels.

Jim
 
Hi Jim, Mine meets the same parameters, before and after breakers, in a nice box, grounding is much easier because I’m aluminum, I used the commercial racking and used an existing railing that I moved from another spot. I used series and have mono panels. My panels are flat-mounted and do not track. I only have 4 golf-cart batteries and normally had to run the genset every day for about 2 hours.
 
Hi Jim, Mine meets the same parameters, before and after breakers, in a nice box, grounding is much easier because I’m aluminum, I used the commercial racking and used an existing railing that I moved from another spot. I used series and have mono panels. My panels are flat-mounted and do not track. I only have 4 golf-cart batteries and normally had to run the genset every day for about 2 hours.

Very Good! :) I bought $20 of angle aluminum and pre-drilled then cut off 1.5" pieces with a chop saw. I bolted 2 pieces together in a "U" with washers and nylock nuts, bolted these to the 4 corners and then glued to the pilothouse roof with 4200. Prior to positioning I put blocks of wood in place so the panel supports would rest 1/8" above the roof so all the 4200 wouldn't squish out. They are solid 2 years later. I figure if I have to rebed every 5 or so years, that's fine.

Jim
 

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Thanks for the details. I might just do something similar. I have a hardtop that would work well for the panels. X-bank's description of less genset time is appealing.
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Ken E,

I am in the last boathouse on the other side of the Bathrooms from you. If you want to come and take a look let me know.

Bob
 
Thanks Bob.....I will get in touch with you. I'm especially interested in Bellingham / Seattle sources for the equipment, or online sources for that matter.
 
Definitely following along with interest, and always interested in learning where the best stuff/best bargains are!
 
My feelings? Unless you have a huge place to put lots solar panels we use them to prolong the charge on the batteries. With my set up, I can go 2-3 days of normal use which I think is mighty fine.
If I cut back to just the fridge, a week, maybe more. I don't skimp ..... they are part of the entire electrical system so I use them. I have 3 other ways to maintain the charge on my batteries. 1. shore power 2. generator 3. main engine.
During hurricane Irma, I was out of power for maybe 1 1/2 days. I relied totally on the batteries and the solar panels. I never lacked for hot coffee thanks to the 1500 watt inverter and batteries and solar panels. I also have two other 400 watt inverters for other things such as the 2 TVs. Sure, I cut back on lighting a little bit but that was all. I have an electric stove, unused for the power outage but the microwave supplements the stove somewhat. The gas grill picked up even more of the slack when cooking.
Solar panels supplement.... just another tool in maintaining the batteries.
 
"About" $1600 I think. I installed it. Best place for solar is the Top of The Hill Market in Powell River. Andy is very knowledgeable and has the best prices. He said he can beat anyone for batteries. Shipping is "creative." Ask him?
The reason for this anomaly is because there are so many cabins "up the lake" in the area that are off the grid.

I can walk into a hardware store here and walkout with a propane fridge, solar panels, Trojan batteries, composting toilet, wind generator, and all sorts of inverters and controllers, all on display and in stock.

Threads like these cause me anguish. I'd love to have solar, but then I'd have no place to put my kayaks.

Priorities.
 
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...Threads like these cause me anguish. I'd love to have solar, but then I'd have no place to put my kayaks.

Priorities.

OK, put the panels on an aluminum frame with legs that hold the array off the cabin top. Allow enough room to slide the kayaks under the array. Possibly clumsy, definitely could by made to work, though. Perhaps hinging the panels would allow them to lift up like a hatch to allow the kayak to be lifted up rather than slid out the end.

Thanks so much for the info; it makes perfect sense that all those folks living off the grid would be a great customer base for a solar supplier.
 

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