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South of Heaven 11-23-2017 11:04 PM

Dickinson Newport Propane heater placement
 
Guys, I've pretty much decided that I wanna install a Dickinson P12000 propane furnace. A P9000 is also an option but I think the 12000 is a better buy as long as it fits in the Camano 31 salon.

My CruiseAirrrrr reverse cycle works great but I don't have a generator (the PO took it out) and I don't want one. I like keeping it simple.

I DON'T WANNA TURN THIS INTO A DEBATE ABOUT WHICH AUX HEATING SYSTEM IS BETTER. I definitely wanna go with propane because I already have a propane system on board and I like the Newport specs. I'm aware that diesel is safer (Webasto and others) but I've decided against it. I've also decided against an engine Buss heater.

So......Where would (could?) I mount it?? I need a straight run for the exhaust flue and intake. Actually it's one section....The air intake is a small pipe inside and the outer core is the exhaust.

The only spots I see are:

1. Port , aft near the door (about 1 foot from the factory glass storage area.

2. Port, about 6 inches aft from the head door.

Where else? Thanks guys! I can't wait to do this mod! I need heat while underway and also love the aesthetics of this unit.

DNT99611 11-24-2017 04:13 AM

No help on where to mount it sorry. I will tell you they are fast and very easy to install. The down side is they do not put out a lot of heat. I have the P9000 in the cabin of a 22 foot Seasport and it is not too much by a long shot.

South of Heaven 11-24-2017 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DNT99611 (Post 612020)
No help on where to mount it sorry. I will tell you they are fast and very easy to install. The down side is they do not put out a lot of heat. I have the P9000 in the cabin of a 22 foot Seasport and it is not too much by a long shot.

Yeah, that's why I'm leaning towards the P12000. It's 5500 BTU vs the 4500 from the 9000 series. I know it's not gonna heat the whole boat. I just want a simple setup to take the chill off in my early spring and fall cruises.

jhance 12-04-2017 12:04 PM

Don't have any knowledge on the propane units, but I will tell you I have the Webasto diesel heater and I can't imagine a better unit. It is amazing. It heats all areas of the boat in no time including the v berth. We've been using it regularly.

porman 12-04-2017 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jhance (Post 614622)
Don't have any knowledge on the propane units, but I will tell you I have the Webasto diesel heater and I can't imagine a better unit. It is amazing. It heats all areas of the boat in no time including the v berth. We've been using it regularly.

What it doesn't do is heat the head. We added a tee under the seat on the port side and ran a small tube across the forward engine room bulkhead and into the head. Worked great.

Durant F 12-12-2017 11:32 AM

My only caution to propane heat is the amount of moisture it puts into the cabin!
Sweating windows etc are a given.
I will 2nd the Webasco and/or Espar heating choices! Both work great! Much dryer heat and diesel

Xsbank 12-12-2017 12:18 PM

It doesn’t vent inside the boat, it vents outside! No moisture inside as that would mean you have combustion gases inside too. Its why you don’t run your stove for heat. Some small issue called CO.

TDunn 12-12-2017 02:09 PM

I have had a P12000 for about 10 years. You can mount it any where. The only part of the entire unit that gets too hot to touch is the glass in the door. The sides of the heater are cool to the touch. The exhaust chimney gets pretty hot but you can touch it briefly. The heater comes with a stainless steel mounting plate so rear clearance is not an issue. The only complaint I have about mine is that the fan is a bit noisy at higher settings.

Venting is NOT an issue since the heater draws in outside air for combustion and has a sealed combustion chamber. The exhaust stack is the inner tube of the double chimney so it preheats combustion air. No exhaust gases are vented into the cabin so condensation is not a problem.

You do need to have the fan on pretty high to get maximum heating. A second fan to circulate cabin air is also a good idea.

We quite enjoy the visible flame at night.

I also have a Webasto Airtop 2000. It heats the boat much more quickly than the Dichinson, but the blower for the forced air is louder and it draws considerably more electrical power. The Webasto also cost almost three times what the Dickinson cost. Note I bought the complete installation kit with fuel pump, ducting, through hull exhaust vent, etc.

The Dickinson comes as a complete kit. All you will need to buy is a propane hose and wire to connect the fan to your 12 VDC system.

South of Heaven 12-13-2017 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Durant F (Post 616825)
My only caution to propane heat is the amount of moisture it puts into the cabin!
Sweating windows etc are a given.
I will 2nd the Webasco and/or Espar heating choices! Both work great! Much dryer heat and diesel

Huh? Diesel is a "dryer" heat? The Newport unit is vented outside via a straight run of metal flue....There should be no "sweating" involved.

South of Heaven 12-13-2017 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jhance (Post 614622)
Don't have any knowledge on the propane units, but I will tell you I have the Webasto diesel heater and I can't imagine a better unit. It is amazing. It heats all areas of the boat in no time including the v berth. We've been using it regularly.

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Nice. I've definitely been shopping the other options but I feel that the Newport will work best for my needs. I love the real fireplace feel. Lol

South of Heaven 12-13-2017 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TDunn (Post 616891)
I have had a P12000 for about 10 years. You can mount it any where. The only part of the entire unit that gets too hot to touch is the glass in the door. The sides of the heater are cool to the touch. The exhaust chimney gets pretty hot but you can touch it briefly. The heater comes with a stainless steel mounting plate so rear clearance is not an issue. The only complaint I have about mine is that the fan is a bit noisy at higher settings.

Venting is NOT an issue since the heater draws in outside air for combustion and has a sealed combustion chamber. The exhaust stack is the inner tube of the double chimney so it preheats combustion air. No exhaust gases are vented into the cabin so condensation is not a problem.

You do need to have the fan on pretty high to get maximum heating. A second fan to circulate cabin air is also a good idea.

We quite enjoy the visible flame at night.

I also have a Webasto Airtop 2000. It heats the boat much more quickly than the Dichinson, but the blower for the forced air is louder and it draws considerably more electrical power. The Webasto also cost almost three times what the Dickinson cost. Note I bought the complete installation kit with fuel pump, ducting, through hull exhaust vent, etc.

The Dickinson comes as a complete kit. All you will need to buy is a propane hose and wire to connect the fan to your 12 VDC system.

Thanks

Bob Cofer 12-14-2017 12:13 AM

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South of Heaven 12-14-2017 12:18 AM

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Looks good Bob. I'll have mine soon!

South of Heaven 02-19-2018 03:33 PM

Not a happy camper. I ordered my P12000 in early January and its still not here yet. I called the factory and they're in the process of manufacturing more and will be fulfilling orders in mid March! Wtf. Good thing I'm not on the boat until early April....

ctjstr 02-20-2018 12:50 AM

I'm just struggling with where you're going to put it. I was looking around my boat today and can't figure it out. Don't forget the pictures. Have fun.
toni

South of Heaven 02-21-2018 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ctjstr (Post 638002)
I'm just struggling with where you're going to put it. I was looking around my boat today and can't figure it out. Don't forget the pictures. Have fun.
toni

I'm struggling with it too! Haha. These are my 2 ideas for possible locations.

1. Aft, starboard corner of the salon. I'm thinking that we could build out a bracket or structure to mount the furnace too. I've seen lots of Camanos with extra shelves built in that corner. So why not?

2. The other location I'm thinking of is just to the left of the steering wheel, on that wall. I haven't surveyed that area though, I think is there some wiring behind there. The other issue with this area is that I need to run a straight section of the exhaust flue through the flybridge and it may be near the helm chairs up there.

One way or another I'll get it mounted! Our boats are so customizable. Where there's a will there's a way. My bigger issue is the weather. I need springtime to come so I can cut the shrinkwrap and start all my various projects.

av8r 02-21-2018 11:01 AM

Several years ago when we installed one the installation manual permitted a 90 deg. bend in the inlet/exhaust pipe so the unit could be vented out the cabin side. Installing it as low as possible will help the heating, we put in a fan up high to blow the warm air down to the floor. We liked the fireplace effect. Ours also took months to arrive.

South of Heaven 02-21-2018 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by av8r (Post 638454)
Several years ago when we installed one the installation manual permitted a 90 deg. bend in the inlet/exhaust pipe so the unit could be vented out the cabin side. Installing it as low as possible will help the heating, we put in a fan up high to blow the warm air down to the floor. We liked the fireplace effect. Ours also took months to arrive.

Thanks, good to know. Allowing a bend in the flue will open up new mounting locations.

Bob Cofer 02-21-2018 09:51 PM

Bummer on the delay. There’s one on the shelf here in Bellingham.

South of Heaven 02-21-2018 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Cofer (Post 638623)
Bummer on the delay. There’s one on the shelf here in Bellingham.

PM sent!


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