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Alaskan Sea-Duction 08-31-2016 11:50 AM

Cruise Ship's prop wash destroys marina
 
https://gcaptain.com/video-carnival-...Captain.com%29

CaptTom 08-31-2016 12:29 PM

Wow. Just wow.

The article estimates $250,000 damage. I suspect that's going to be updated.

I didn't know Capt. Schettino was back to work ;)

dhays 08-31-2016 12:38 PM

Yeah, I think that estimate of damage is way too low.

Ted 08-31-2016 12:40 PM

I wouldn't think $250,000 would cover the cement floats,
let alone include the boats.

Ted

BandB 08-31-2016 10:03 PM

Well, over $250k. On top of the physical damage, you're also talking very sizable business interruption costs.

While not thinking this loss will be that big but I once was called regarding a distribution center fire and it was estimated as $250k damage by the fire department. Actual damages were a little over $5 million. 45 days of business lost.

Crusty Chief 08-31-2016 10:16 PM

Tom, me thinks you need to get back to cruising! You have way too much time at the dock to find this stuff!

Alaskan Sea-Duction 09-01-2016 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Crusty Chief (Post 475195)
Tom, me thinks you need to get back to cruising! You have way too much time at the dock to find this stuff!

I am experiencing cruising withdraws my friend. You soon will experience the same.:o

Max Simmons 09-01-2016 06:12 PM

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Got up close and personal with the 3 ships that exit Seattle every Sunday afternoon. The wakes were kinda fun.

BandB 09-01-2016 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Max Simmons (Post 475466)
Got up close and personal with the 3 ships that exit Seattle every Sunday afternoon. The wakes were kinda fun.

Wakes, ok. Wash, not. That's one thing they really warn you to be aware of in large commercially used locks and especially in the Panama Canal.

mbevins 09-01-2016 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BandB (Post 475479)

Wakes, ok. Wash, not. That's one thing they really warn you to be aware of in large commercially used locks and especially in the Panama Canal.

You are correct.
We have the same issue when getting to close to freighters on the Detroit and St. Clair Rivers.

rclarke246 09-01-2016 08:07 PM

So, was that prop wash or turbulence from thrusters? I've never seen anything like it-scary!

captwill 09-02-2016 08:49 AM

rc...Quite a few of the newer cruise ships have azipods for propulsion that can pivot through 180 degrees. But then again it may have been thrusters. It takes a lot of horsepower to move those ships sideways or to just hold them up against any kind of wind and current, especially at slow speeds

tinped 09-11-2016 09:44 PM

cruise ship mishap
 
:facepalm: https://www.facebook.com/Break/videos/10154559188497792/

menzies 09-11-2016 10:03 PM

http://www.trawlerforum.com/forums/s...ina-27928.html

BruceK 09-11-2016 10:09 PM

I guessed that was the ship`s view of what we saw previously. It was hard to tell, Facebook kept reducing the image to the size of a cat`s bottom when I didn`t seize their offer to join up.

cappy208 09-11-2016 10:17 PM

Was no physical contact, but I am sure "a vessel is responsible for it's wake" will come into play during the court case. Wash and suction being part of wake and all.

CaptTom 09-12-2016 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BruceK (Post 479006)
Facebook kept reducing the image to the size of a cat`s bottom when I didn`t seize their offer to join up.

I thought I was the only one left who hadn't seized that offer ;)

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Originally Posted by cappy208 (Post 479011)
Was no physical contact, but I am sure "a vessel is responsible for it's wake" will come into play during the court case.

There is no such law, at least in the US. However, the boat's owner and operator ARE responsible for the result of any negligent operation. This could include it's wake and wash, and certainly applies here. It'll be very hard to convince any court that the marina did something wrong.

psneeld 09-12-2016 07:32 AM

Pretty sure CFRs cover wake on vessels over 1600 ton.

CFR 164.11(p)(6)

Carnival Vista 133,596 gross ton

cappy208 09-12-2016 07:32 AM

cruise ship mishap
 
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Originally Posted by CaptTom (Post 479086)
I thought I was the only one left who hadn't seized that offer ;)







There is no such law, at least in the US. However, the boat's owner and operator ARE responsible for the result of any negligent operation. This could include it's wake and wash, and certainly applies here. It'll be very hard to convince any court that the marina did something wrong.

I do believe there are numerous case laws to argue differently.

http://www.discoverboating.com/resou...le.aspx?id=476

Although I don't know where this took place I am sure carnival will be paying. In full under threat of being sued.

CaptTom 09-12-2016 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by cappy208 (Post 479090)
I do believe there are numerous case laws to argue differently.

That article you linked actually says it best:

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The Law: Once again, there’s that catchall rule of reckless or careless operation that puts you behind the legal eight ball. According to Maritime Law and Practice, federal law considers it "grossly negligent operation" when there is actual endangerment of life, limb, or property. The Florida statute, however, says you could be found guilty of reckless operation if your conduct is "likely to endanger" life, limb, or property. This includes making waves. So you could be in trouble.
The law is not specific to your wake. There are many laws which hold you responsible for negligence, or as the article puts it "reckless or careless operation." You can (and should) be prosecuted under those laws if your wake endangers any people or property.

My point is, you are responsible for any damage caused by your negligence, no matter what the source. Thrusters included.


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