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seattleboatguy 06-27-2015 07:42 AM

Krogen 42 History
 
Why do you suppose Krogen only made a few of the 42 Pilothouse designs back in the 70s? Did everyone want something that looked like a Grand Banks? What was their fatal flaw?

http://seattleboatguy.com/tmp/1.jpg

MikeM 06-27-2015 08:16 AM

To my knowledge, they made around 200. Not sure why that is considered a failure. Ours is number 165, and we love her.


Mike Metts
KK 42-165
Virginia Beach, VA

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Wxx3 06-27-2015 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seattleboatguy (Post 344156)
Why do you suppose Krogen only made a few of the 42 Pilothouse designs back in the 70s? Did everyone want something that looked like a Grand Banks? What was their fatal flaw?

I think they made 248

And I think they did exactly what James Krogen wanted to do, mass produce a true Passagemaker.

Bay Pelican 06-27-2015 08:23 AM

Interesting question. Sales of the Krogen 42 increased in the 80s.

The Grand Banks of the 70s were a twin engine semi-displacement boat. Even today the twin engine semi-displacement boats outsell the single engine full displacement boats by a wide margin. Even the popular Nordic and American Tugs are not full displacement.

Owning a Krogen 42 I am happy to mention that she has often been considered among the best cruising boats ever built. Long distance cruising however is a limited market.

Sales of the 42 model stopped when the mold had been used for 210 or so hulls. Her successors are the 39 and 44 (and the 48). To the untrained eye it is difficult to tell them apart.

seattleboatguy 06-27-2015 09:27 AM

I stand corrected
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeM (Post 344165)
To my knowledge, they made around 200.

I stand corrected. I thought I read an ad that said there were only a handful of them built. But, on re-reading the ad, I see it actually said "one of the first handful of Krogen 42's built". Thanks for the correction.

kulas44 06-27-2015 09:51 AM

I have a 1972 Krogen 50. It was the predesessor of the 42. The hull is identical to the 42, just bigger. It was designed by James Krogen at Traditional Yachts and built to his specs by Charley Morgan at his facility in Florida. Mine was the Atlantic model , a Pacific model was also designed but to my knowledge never built. Very few of these boats were built and I assume it was because of the cost, as designed they would have been expensive. Only when Art Kadey came along with overseas connections was the profit margin enough to make production feasible. You occasionally see a 70s Krogen for sale but not often as there just weren't that many built. Interestingly, I talked to Jimmy Krogen about my boat and he sent me everything they had on it. Including all the blueprints and lines drawing, machinery specs, layup/lamination schedules and a few magazine ads and an article from MotorBoating magazine that featured my boat when it was brand new. Jimmy is a super nice guy and very helpfull.

Wxx3 06-27-2015 04:23 PM

Thanks Kulas, that's great info.

markpierce 06-27-2015 06:39 PM

That looks swayback to me. Is that boat getting old or is that original build?
:hide: Regardless, I'm a pilothouse fan.

Pack Mule 06-27-2015 06:47 PM

If a kk 42 has a fatal flaw I could live with it the rest of my life .

kulas44 06-27-2015 08:38 PM

The "swayback" on my 50 is a little more pronounced. Salty, I believe, is the word you were looking for :)

kulas44 06-27-2015 08:40 PM

I really need to learn how to post pics/images. I have a ton of stuff that us Krogenites love.

markpierce 06-27-2015 08:45 PM

Swayback:


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_SGy6jIXdDD...Els20Aug05.jpg

FlyWright 06-27-2015 09:37 PM

Now that we've cleared up the misunderstanding by the OP in post 5, any objections to me changing the thread title from Krogen 42 failure to Krogen 42 History? It seems to better reflect the trajectory of the discussion and will make it easier to find in future searches.

If the OP agrees, I'll make the change free of charge.

Bay Pelican 06-27-2015 09:42 PM

How about "Krogen 42 - a success story" just kidding.

markpierce 06-27-2015 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kulas44 (Post 344290)
The "swayback" on my 50 is a little more pronounced. Salty, I believe, is the word you were looking for :)

Here's hoping there is nothing wrong structurally.

BruceK 06-27-2015 10:05 PM

Is another word for the "dip" midships "sheer"?

Pack Mule 06-27-2015 10:09 PM

If ain't got a little sheer I ain't looking .

Codger2 06-27-2015 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markpierce (Post 344272)
That looks swayback to me. Is that boat getting old or is that original build?.

I'm sure that the Krogen is a very fine vessel that has proven itself many times over the years. Mark's comment, however, is exactly the way I see that boat! I guess they are right..."beauty is in the eye of the beholder." :blush:

kulas44 06-27-2015 10:53 PM

This coming from a "tennis shoe" ?. :). The Krogen look is THE quintessential "TRAWLER" look. A flat sheer does absolutely nothing for me. A wedding cake boat does nothing for me. When I walk down the dock, if my boat doesnt stir my heart,,,,well, it aint gonna be my boat much longer. I like a big sportfisher bow, made to run Ocrakoke in a blow or Murrells inlet when its raging. Its the same reason I like the "look" of the Krogen trawlers. The look fits the use and abilities. When the ocean turns to $hit you can point that bow into it and ride out most weather short of a hurricane. I wouldnt want to be riding a tennis shoe when that happens.

kulas44 06-27-2015 11:10 PM

If you have ever had the opportunity to look at the lamination schedule for a Krogen trawler, and the ring frame/bulkhead arrangement, you would know that "hogging" or swayback as it was called (incorrectly I might ad) is an impossibilty on these boats. The hull and superstructure simply does not allow it.


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