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Gabe n Em 01-14-2015 11:01 PM

Torn between two boats
 
We are looking at two very different boats as our first liveaboard. One is a mainship 40 (1981) and the other is an albin 36 (1978). Both in great condition and similarly priced. The Albin lends itself to leaving the dock more and going on more adventures but the Mainship seems like a more comfortable home. :banghead:

Can we just get both?!

Either way, we are looking forward to some time on the water this year.

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Moonstruck 01-14-2015 11:24 PM

Welcome, Gabe and Em. I don't mean to be flippant, but if you keep waiting the choice will be down to one. If they are both in the condition you represented someone will snatch them up. Whatever you do, please keep us in the loop. It will be interesting to see your final choice and why.

Wxx3 01-15-2015 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Moonstruck (Post 299069)
Welcome, Gabe and Em. I don't mean to be flippant, but if you keep waiting the choice will be down to one. If they are both in the condition you represented someone will snatch them up. Whatever you do, please keep us in the loop. It will be interesting to see your final choice and why.

Exactly. Sometimes no decision is a decision.

I also think it's possible that the answer is neither.

Usually when I have trouble pulling the trigger, it's only later I understand why and am almost always very grateful:hide:.

siestakey 01-15-2015 06:18 AM

Welcome

It also may be that the answer is in your question

RT Firefly 01-15-2015 07:18 AM

Greetings,
Welcome aboard.

O C Diver 01-15-2015 07:49 AM

Not saying either isn't right for you, but hopefully the right boat is like finding your spouse. It's shouldn't be a choice between 2, but more "this is the one!"............for now. :rolleyes:

Ted

Baker 01-15-2015 07:54 AM

If your goal is to be on the water...then get the one that will facilitate that the best!! And it sounds like you already know which one. Also be careful about curbside appeal. I realize you have to like the appearance of your boat. But if you are buying it based on appearance, then you might be in for a bad time.....kinda like choosing a spouse...;)

bayview 01-15-2015 08:35 AM

Get the one the wife likes. There can't be much difference in leaving the dock unless access forward is poor.

Gabe n Em 01-15-2015 08:52 AM

Thanks for all the feedback guys, theres a lot of good ideas here.

Moonstruck, the only hitch is I(Gabe) haven't seen the Mainship yet and cant get back (due to work) for another 10 days! We are going to stop in on both of them (praying they're both still there) the day I get back. We are primed to pull the trigger within 24 hours after.

O C Diver: The problem is we've each had our "Aha!" moments, they were just on two different boats. As in all of life, it will be a compromise but finally, I dont believe either will be a bad option, just different strengths

seasalt007 01-15-2015 09:19 AM

I owned a 1979 Albin 33', which is just a tab smaller than the 36. One of my buddies had a 1980 Mainship 40 that I spent a lot of time on. The Albin was single engine and the Mainship had twins.

If you want to live aboard, you will never have a comfortable place to sit and relax on the Albin. Dinettes are not suitable for anything but dining, IMHO. The Taiwanese built Albins are notorious leakers through the teak decks. Other than the stained interior and the lack of a place to prop one's feet up and relax, they are tough boats.

My friend on the Mainship had room for a small recliner and no exterior teak to worry about refinishing or leaking. He lived aboard for several years with no complaints.

In the coin flip for a live aboard boat I would go with the Mainship.

My current boat is a US built Albin which is a totally different boat the the one you guys are considering.

Drake 01-15-2015 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bayview (Post 299143)
Get the one the wife likes.

Very very wise answer.

That will get you on the water more and make your time onboard in the slip much more pleasant.

HiDHo 01-15-2015 03:06 PM

Welcome, the saying is that "the boat picks you" if that's not happening maybe you should continue the search.

CPseudonym 01-15-2015 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by HiDHo (Post 299245)
Welcome, the saying is that "the boat picks you" if that's not happening maybe you should continue the search.

Gotta admit when folks told me this before buying our boat I thought it was a load of BS. Having been through the process I'm 100% convinced that it is true. If neither of these boats chose you, and you'd know it, keep looking as soon enough one will.

BruceK 01-15-2015 05:40 PM

Put the plus and minus points for each boat on paper (for oldies) or on a screen. Seeing it that way often helps clarify the choice between 2 courses of action. See if it helps.
If not, could be both are equally suitable, and it doesn`t matter which you choose.

tego 01-15-2015 10:33 PM

Seasalt and Bayview are both wise men. I lived on a 44 MT for several years and always regretted the lousy sitting accommodations. Dinettes are NOT a place to relax. The most comfortable boats to live on in this size range are the sedan trawlers IMHO. Ben

RT Firefly 01-15-2015 10:40 PM

Greetings,
Buy them both then sell the one you don't like...
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Pura Vida 01-16-2015 12:27 AM

Welcome
All boats are a compromise, take your time.

Gabe n Em 01-26-2015 08:30 AM

Well, I'm sure you've all been on the edge of your seat as we have been for the last two weeks but we finally decided (and had our offer accepted yesterday!) for the Mainship!

We saw both boats in the same day and the amount of living space was one decider - the other was the value. The Mainship was less expensive, in better condition, and younger by a few years.

I(Gabe) still think the Albins are a little more pleasing on the eyes and definitely more fuel efficient but ALL uses of the boat had to be considered. Not just looks

Stay tuned for survey results but we are looking to liveaboard and need to keep the ball rolling. Any suggestions for marinas on kent island? We liked Mears and Castle harbor but thought piney narrows was too loud with the bridge right there.

Marlinmike 01-26-2015 09:51 AM

Congrat's, all the best!

steelydon 01-30-2015 04:25 AM

I've never seen a boat I didn't like. My wife says a broker could make a living on just selling me boats.


Enjoy!


Steelydon

Peter B 01-30-2015 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Gabe n Em (Post 302001)
Well, I'm sure you've all been on the edge of your seat as we have been for the last two weeks but we finally decided (and had our offer accepted yesterday!) for the Mainship!

We saw both boats in the same day and the amount of living space was one decider - the other was the value. The Mainship was less expensive, in better condition, and younger by a few years.

I(Gabe) still think the Albins are a little more pleasing on the eyes and definitely more fuel efficient but ALL uses of the boat had to be considered. Not just looks

Stay tuned for survey results but we are looking to liveaboard and need to keep the ball rolling. Any suggestions for marinas on kent island? We liked Mears and Castle harbor but thought piney narrows was too loud with the bridge right there.

I stayed out of it, because all the bon mots had been said, but I hoped you'd choose that way. We have a sedan/Europa style with two day lounges in the saloon, (no dinette, but good drop-leaf table), and we just love the indoor/outdoor livin' allowed by the rear cockpit and no aft cabin. No offence to tri-cabin owners, but, I doubt you will ever have cause to regret that decision. The number of times you take non-family away and really appreciate the added privacy of a separate aft cabin generally tends to be a lot less often that you think.

Nickair 01-30-2015 07:00 AM

Congratulations! You should be comfortable with the extra elbow room.
Enjoy.

Tony B 01-30-2015 12:04 PM

Congrats on your new boat.
We are cruising live-aboards on a 36 Mainship Aft Cabin. We love it. I was looking for a larger boat, however, the Admiral felt more comfortable with the 36 so the 36 it is. When we are on-the-go, she drives most of the time. Frees me up for my hourly walk-thru inspections including the bilges. About the only time she doesn't drive (steer) is when she is cooking - whatta gal.
Anyway, as long as your wife is happy, you will be happy.

siestakey 02-02-2015 02:27 PM

Congrats

ranger42c 02-02-2015 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Gabe n Em (Post 302001)
Stay tuned for survey results but we are looking to liveaboard and need to keep the ball rolling. Any suggestions for marinas on kent island? We liked Mears and Castle harbor but thought piney narrows was too loud with the bridge right there.


You might check out Bay Bridge Marina and Lipincott's. I don't know much about the latter, but we've been in there (by land) and it looks viable... and they were (maybe still are -- or actually maybe they "are again"?) a Mainship dealer so they may be able to offer service advice and so forth. We like BBM for their floating docks, but I prefer Mears' location, and when you get further back inside the marina you're not so bothered by Red Eye's noise :)

Well's Cove is said to be pretty rocky/rolly... and I've heard water depth in Castle Harbor is an issue. No first-hand experience with either, though.

-Chris

BandB 02-02-2015 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by steelydon (Post 303374)
I've never seen a boat I didn't like. My wife says a broker could make a living on just selling me boats.
Enjoy!
Steelydon

Yes, I want one of each.

eyschulman 02-02-2015 10:48 PM

Congratulations: What is the exhaust geometry like on your new to be mainship? If you don't know what I am talking about this is now a learning exercise. If I explain you will not learn as well. Go to Seaboard Marine(not the shipping co.) the engine place in CA and go to Tony's tips and read about exhaust systems. Why do I mention this out of the blue? Because many production boats cram the engines in tight spaces and the exhaust system is then make due and may get by or may not and I have heard that some models of your new boat may be suspect. Good luck.

Gabe n Em 02-06-2015 09:04 PM

Thanks guys for the marina tips and on the exhaust issues. I'll definitely look into both.

The sea trial went OK. We found a couple repairs needed on one engine and one transmission that the seller agreed to take care of (WOOHOO!) There are plenty of small odds and ends that we can do ourselves as well but the surveyor kept saying he was impressed for a 34 year old boat.

I guess we have to go clock in to the mainship thread now....

HenryD 02-06-2015 10:15 PM

Gabe,
Are you looking for a place to live on the boat year round? We lived in Baltimore on our boat. One factor to consider is how the marina will provide water during the winter and if the marina has a pumpout.
Cheers,
Henry

Gabe n Em 02-07-2015 01:07 AM

Thanks Henry
we have a long roll up fire hose for getting water from the frost free outlets at the end of the dock in the two marinas we are looking at.

Pumpout could be an issue. The only year round pump out I have heard of is in rock hall. Know of any others?

Art 02-07-2015 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by HiDHo View Post
Welcome, the saying is that "the boat picks you" if that's not happening maybe you should continue the search.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CPseudonym (Post 299285)
Gotta admit when folks told me this before buying our boat I thought it was a load of BS. Having been through the process I'm 100% convinced that it is true. If neither of these boats chose you, and you'd know it, keep looking as soon enough one will.

110% Agreed!

Every boat I've (we've) ever owned chose (grabbed) me (us) by the hands, feet, heart, and minds.

We simply could not get away! Sort of - LOL :D:D

ranger42c 02-07-2015 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Gabe n Em (Post 305495)
Pumpout could be an issue. The only year round pump out I have heard of is in rock hall. Know of any others?


I think you can find others. Selby Bay Marina near us, someplace on Back Creek in Annapolis (maybe Annapolis Landing, and it might be in-slip pump-outs), have heard about several Bal'mer marinas like Inner Harbor, etc.

The Annapolis pump-out boat was said to be running all year round now, too.

-Chris

Gabe n Em 02-07-2015 10:37 AM

Thanks Chris. If the Annapolis boat is running year round, that would be great. it would be a hop-skip-and-a-jump away when we needed. I'll see what I can find on that....

ranger42c 02-07-2015 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Gabe n Em (Post 305570)
Thanks Chris. If the Annapolis boat is running year round, that would be great. it would be a hop-skip-and-a-jump away when we needed. I'll see what I can find on that....


Well, probably, if you're in Annapolis. Or maybe sorta, if you're on Kent Island at BBM. Otherwise, it's a ways around from someplace like Lippincott's. And you'd have to deal with engine winterization/unwinterization.

Anyway, it'll be useful if you can post whatever you find out, 'cause I'm not always sure I've got complete or up-to-date info...

-Chris

BandB 02-07-2015 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Art (Post 305501)
Quote:
Originally Posted by HiDHo View Post
Welcome, the saying is that "the boat picks you" if that's not happening maybe you should continue the search.



110% Agreed!

Every boat I've (we've) ever owned chose (grabbed) me (us) by the hands, feet, heart, and minds.

We simply could not get away! Sort of - LOL :D:D

I've always said, "You'll know when it's the right one for you." And the other side of that is "When in doubt, don't." Then you may find ultimately passing on that one was the smartest buying decision you've ever made. Sometimes it's those reservations that we can't pinpoint at the time. We sit thinking "I just don't feel right about it" but then we pressure ourselves asking why. Well, analysis only takes one so far and sometimes it's emotion, gut feeling, instinct that knows something we can't learn by analysis. We just have to feel right, feel comfortable with our new boat. Then each year you'll find yourself falling in love with it all over again. And even if you move on to others, the love for that previous one will never leave.

Art 02-07-2015 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BandB (Post 305617)
I've always said, "You'll know when it's the right one for you." And the other side of that is "When in doubt, don't." Then you may find ultimately passing on that one was the smartest buying decision you've ever made. Sometimes it's those reservations that we can't pinpoint at the time. We sit thinking "I just don't feel right about it" but then we pressure ourselves asking why. Well, analysis only takes one so far and sometimes it's emotion, gut feeling, instinct that knows something we can't learn by analysis. We just have to feel right, feel comfortable with our new boat. Then each year you'll find yourself falling in love with it all over again. And even if you move on to others, the love for that previous one will never leave.

You talking about good Ex's?? LOL

BandB 02-07-2015 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Art (Post 305627)
You talking about good Ex's?? LOL

Good ex-boats. Never going to have an ex-wife.

BlueYonder 02-07-2015 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Gabe n Em (Post 302001)
Stay tuned for survey results but we are looking to liveaboard and need to keep the ball rolling. Any suggestions for marinas on kent island? We liked Mears and Castle harbor but thought piney narrows was too loud with the bridge right there.

The Kent Narrows is a great location. It is right in the middle of some of the nicest cruising grounds on the Chesapeake Bay.

I keep my boat at Mears. It is well maintained and has nice facilities. If you have any questions about Mears feel free to PM me with questions.

I kept a boat at Lippincotts several years ago. The folks are friendly, but the marina was not that well maintained. Some of the boat slips had shoaled badly. (including the one I had). They may have corrected this now, but I would certainly check before signing a contract.

Bay Bridge Marina is well maintained with floating docks. Most boats get hauled out for the Spring boat show which is held there.

I don't know if you live locally, but Rock Hall has some nice marinas also.

Gabe n Em 02-07-2015 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueYonder (Post 305669)
The Kent Narrows is a great location. It is right in the middle of some of the nicest cruising grounds on the Chesapeake Bay.

I keep my boat at Mears. It is well maintained and has nice facilities. If you have any questions about Mears feel free to PM me with questions.

I kept a boat at Lippincotts several years ago. The folks are friendly, but the marina was not that well maintained. Some of the boat slips had shoaled badly. (including the one I had). They may have corrected this now, but I would certainly check before signing a contract.

Bay Bridge Marina is well maintained with floating docks. Most boats get hauled out for the Spring boat show which is held there.

I don't know if you live locally, but Rock Hall has some nice marinas also.

Hey Yonder,
We are dirt dwellers in rock hall currently. It's just TOO quiet for us right now. The trick is we work in Galena but would like to push closer to annapolis/civilization/better cruising:D so kent island would be a good meld of these. It's about 40 minutes to Galena which, while not great, is manageable

Do you know anyone at Mears who lives aboard? We heard of one or two from the nice lady at the front desk but they didn't seem too excited about liveaboards overall.

We drove through Lippencott but it was really quiet. Mears Point had activity even on a cold sunday in January.

We didn't tour Bay bridge because we heard they were not interested in liveaboards but a quick check of their website shows otherwise. Floating docks sound nice...

Art 02-07-2015 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BandB (Post 305658)
Good ex-boats. Never going to have an ex-wife.

Good answer!! :D No need to be legal wife to be an Ex!

BlueYonder 02-07-2015 04:06 PM

I don't know any liveaboards other than a guy on my dock who lives on his boat from May until October. I'm pretty sure there are some liveaboards in the marina who stay all year. There are several frost free water supplies in the marina and I see long hoses stretched out and down docks on occasion in the winter. I think Seven Seas Marine in the marina keeps a portable pump out station that you might be able to use in the winter. I have occasionally seen it rolling around.

Another marina with some liveaboards is Kentmoor about halfway down Kent Island proper on rte 8.

My wife rides the commuter bus every day with a guy who lives aboard during the week at Piney Narrows.

Gabe n Em 02-08-2015 02:51 PM

Thanks Yonder for the pumpout pointer - I'll have to track that down

Kentmoor looks nice but it adds another 10 minutes to an already long commute. We are trying to stay closer to the highway but not too close! We looked at Piney narrows and liked it except for the noise from the bridge. It's a contender for the price difference over Mears point marina but theres something that makes the bridge noise a lot louder in there than Mears, just opposite...

ranger42c 02-09-2015 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Gabe n Em (Post 305673)
We didn't tour Bay bridge because we heard they were not interested in liveaboards but a quick check of their website shows otherwise. Floating docks sound nice...


It's a nice place. We've had our owners club weekend party there once in the past, and I moved our boat there during prep for Hurricane Isabel (I think?) a few years ago, specifically because of the floating docks.

(It's not a perfect solution for everyone, though. They can only accepts so many transients for something like that, and even many of their "residents" hauled anyway.)

Nice facilities.

Probably not inexpensive, though.

-Chris


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