Transporting a 45' CHB- CA to RI

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melroughwater

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We are in the process of buying a 45' CHB Tri-Cabin in San Diego. We plan to liveaboard. My husband is in the Navy and in the same week we put an offer on the boat, he got verbal orders to Newport, Rhode Island for next summer! So, we've looked at trailering the boat cross country, and the prices are coming in at about $30,000 due to the height of the boat. Too high for us. Another option would be for us to take it ourselves. The current owner has offered to transport it on her own belly for us next year for a cost of $5000, plus fuel and expenses, which he estimates will be $10,000 and it will take about a month. The price is very fair, to me. Does anyone have experience with doing anything like this? Is a month a reasonable amount of time? Has anyone done the Pacific to Atlantic trip, either way? Thanks.
 
It would be less expensive to truck it cross country, than going thru the canal. Transiting the CZ is not as cheap as it used to be. We avoid it whenever possible, as in earlier this month.
 
A month may be pushing it. But $30,000 sounds about right for across country. Take the guy's offer!!

How long will your husband be in Newport, RI?

David
 
I dunno. I would get some more opinions about time frames and expenses from experienced Captains. One month and $15,000 all in seem mighty conservative. Is it by coincidence that the number is exactly half of what you were quoted for overland transport? It is a nice offer by the owner but if the time and numbers are unrealistic then it starts to look like someone is trying too hard to close a deal. Good Luck! You will find your answers.
 
Tell the current owner that you will close the deal on the East Coast, offer to foot all expenses up to $20,000 and pay his $5000. :thumb:

For over the water transport check with Anthony Utley at Raven Marine, they use a ship transporter between coasts with many happy customers.
 
We are in the process of buying a 45' CHB Tri-Cabin in San Diego. We plan to liveaboard. My husband is in the Navy and in the same week we put an offer on the boat, he got verbal orders to Newport, Rhode Island for next summer! So, we've looked at trailering the boat cross country, and the prices are coming in at about $30,000 due to the height of the boat. Too high for us. Another option would be for us to take it ourselves. The current owner has offered to transport it on her own belly for us next year for a cost of $5000, plus fuel and expenses, which he estimates will be $10,000 and it will take about a month. The price is very fair, to me. Does anyone have experience with doing anything like this? Is a month a reasonable amount of time? Has anyone done the Pacific to Atlantic trip, either way? Thanks.


I'd truck it to Duluth or Green Bay, or maybe Menominee, Michigan. Then put it in the water and figure out a way to do at least a portion of the best part of the Great Loop (in reverse). If you couldn't get enough leave to do it all at once, then take two summers, or hire someone to do the last bit of the trip. Bet there are folks on this forum who would fight for the opportunity.

Talk with M&B Yacht Transport out of Menominee...good folks, family operation, used to haul for both Cruisers and Carver when they were still building a lot of boats. No affiliation, but I did check them out with those two companies back when we moved our boat from Texas to Green Bay. Rave reviews. Unfortunately, they were booked solid in those days, so I couldn't use them. I have a hunch that moving it across that far northern part of the country would be a lot easier and less expensive than dropping down through Chicago. This was my plan when I was looking at boats in Seattle. And consider stripping the boat down to a lower height by doing most of the grunt work yourself.
 
Would it be better to ship it across to FL or GA and run it north from there on the ICW? States like NJ are full of 13'6" highway bridges that the hauler must work around. Down south, 15' bridge heights seem the norm.
 
If I were going to truck the boat and being its in San Diego I'd truck if from San Diego to Houston.

Then you're on the ICW and can take your time getting it the rest of the way
 
Whoops....for some reason I was thinking the boat is in Seattle when I made previous post. Yup, Houston makes more sense than the Great Lakes from San Diego.
 
We are in the process of buying a 45' CHB Tri-Cabin in San Diego. We plan to liveaboard. My husband is in the Navy and in the same week we put an offer on the boat, he got verbal orders to Newport, Rhode Island for next summer! So, we've looked at trailering the boat cross country, and the prices are coming in at about $30,000 due to the height of the boat. Too high for us. Another option would be for us to take it ourselves. The current owner has offered to transport it on her own belly for us next year for a cost of $5000, plus fuel and expenses, which he estimates will be $10,000 and it will take about a month. The price is very fair, to me. Does anyone have experience with doing anything like this? Is a month a reasonable amount of time? Has anyone done the Pacific to Atlantic trip, either way? Thanks.

I'm a huge fan of moving on the water, but that's when I can enjoy it. I don't know the age of the boat or engine hours or the speed or even the value of the boat. But a few comments. If the $15,000 is correct then you add to it the wear and tear, you add equipment failures that may happen over that range, you're rapidly increasing the cost.

You are talking over 5,000 miles. Assuming 8 hour days at 7 nmph plus a bit of distraction for 50 miles per day, thats 100 days. Was he planning on running it 24 hours? If so how can he possibly be paying a crew and himself to do so on $5000. If so you're talking 33 days plus time for fueling, provisions and food plus a week for the Panama Canal plus days waiting for weather windows and soon you're between 40 and 50 days with no issues developing. If the captain has underestimated the time then likely he has the cost and about half way there may be seeking more money. Remember the boat is totally out of your control on the way, in other countries even.

Fuel for 5,000 mile assuming it gets 2 miles per gallon so 2,500 gallons (now it may get better mileage, I don't know) but that would be 10,000 without other supplies and there would be others needed as you're putting 800 hours on the engines.

What happens when it breaks down in Mexico? How long to get it repaired? What cost? How much more to the delivery captain?

If you add $30,000 into the purchase price is it still a good deal? If not, is it too late to withdraw from the purchase? If you already own it then it more likely justifies the $30,000 than if you're buying it.

The whole idea of starting a trip like that on a boat I wasn't familiar with or having a captain do so scares me. Had I owned it, cruised it extensively, I might feel better.

The captain who gave you the great price, references? Bonding? Insurance? Has the survey been completed on it?

If it still makes sense to take it with you, I'd transport either on truck or barge. Now whether I'd transport to NJ or elsewhere, depends on savings in cost.

Obviously I have great concerns but feel that you asked so I have to answer honestly. Best of luck in whatever you decide.
 
Just the canal fee alone is $ 2000.00 + -

+ fuel
+ moorage
+ maintenance
+ his fee
+ customs fees
+ insurance ( hurricane season is around the corner)
+ wear and tear

There is no way he can make it that fast. just won't happen.

The $ 30k would appear to be a better deal.. and less wear and tear.

If it doesn't make financial sense to move the boat east.. and you wish to back out of the deal.. you might be able to resend because it is a Military order..

Military orders can get one out of some agreements as you have no control over them. Most decent folks would also let a serving service member out of such a agreement as long as the sale has not been completed.

It is worth a shot to ask, if they decline and you want out look at the legal aspect.

Good Luck!
HOLLYWOOD
 
Remember the driver asking directions told "if I was going there, I wouldn`t be starting from here".
Getting out of the deal appeals. What if in 2 years hubby gets posted someplace equally inconvenient? Might you be buying the boat a little early? Any chance "relocation expenses" extend to a boat?
 
and it will take about a month.

Not very realistic.
 
I'm still wondering if anyone has explored rail?

I think I read of a company in Mexico that trucks across to just shy of the Yucatan...much shorter distance, less bridges permits, lower overall costs....but doesn't save as much time, wear and tear...just some $$$.

I'm going to research a bit myself..was just wondering if anyone knew off hand.??

..especially interested in why rail hasn't stepped in to yacht transport or hasn't advertised it....maybe too few intercontinental trips???
 
You said you are " in the process..." I would stop the process and not buy the boat. As others noted, the wear and tear of taking it on its own bottom are huge and the cost and time are way greater than your assumptions. Find a boat on the east coast. Close friends shipped their boat from Texas to Seattle and spent an extra 20 grand repairing damages caused by transport.

Is your husband retiring at the end of his stint in Annapolis? If not, what will you do with the boat if/when he gets transferred again... And again?
 
You said you are " in the process..." I would stop the process and not buy the boat. As others noted, the wear and tear of taking it on its own bottom are huge and the cost and time are way greater than your assumptions. Find a boat on the east coast. Close friends shipped their boat from Texas to Seattle and spent an extra 20 grand repairing damages caused by transport.

Is your husband retiring at the end of his stint in Annapolis? If not, what will you do with the boat if/when he gets transferred again... And again?

We had our 44 trucked from Austin, Texas to the Great Lakes (nearly ten years ago). Dinged a prop during loading. The hauler's insurance paid with no problems...including removal, repair, rebalance and reinstallation. Otherwise, zero damage unless you count dead bugs and road grime on the transom. Being on scene with a digital camera and recording every step in the disassembly and loading is a must, however.

That said, it does make more sense to buy a boat in the Northeast. Have to wonder about living aboard year round in Rhode Island, though.
 
Hello everyone and thanks a lot for the responses. I am melroughwater's husband.

The boat is 45' long, 15' wide, and approx. 16' tall. I figured this would be good info to add since that will impact over-land shipping options.
 
Height may increase once on the trailer. Some boats the high stuff can be (relatively) easily removed, some boats that removal is a monumental PITA. Consult with a shipping co, they know the height restrictions on various routes, and permits needed, etc.

Sounds like a good moment to reconsider the whole purchase. Both by water and by land are expensive and fraught with risks. The money may be better spent on a local boat or maybe the whole thing should be delayed.

Transport by ship is also an option.
 
I'm still wondering if anyone has explored rail?


Dependent upon the route, rail tunnels and bridgework limit the height and width. Normal container width is close to max and height can go up to say 14 to 15 feet overall including the car.

Sea carrier transportation in this case seems the most likely, if done at all.
 
I'm still wondering if anyone has explored rail?

I think I read of a company in Mexico that trucks across to just shy of the Yucatan...much shorter distance, less bridges permits, lower overall costs....but doesn't save as much time, wear and tear...just some $$$.

I'm going to research a bit myself..was just wondering if anyone knew off hand.??

..especially interested in why rail hasn't stepped in to yacht transport or hasn't advertised it....maybe too few intercontinental trips???

Doesn't fit into rail well. First containers/rail cars much better than open. When you go to open, width is an issue. But the bigger issue is they get put through a lot of shifting, wind, stop, start, overhanging limbs even. I've been in a facility set up just to empty, salvage and repack those cars. I observed many of them hauling lumber and they'd shifted so now all being unloaded, repacked on pallets, reloaded. Not for a boat.
 
Hello everyone and thanks a lot for the responses. I am melroughwater's husband.

The boat is 45' long, 15' wide, and approx. 16' tall. I figured this would be good info to add since that will impact over-land shipping options.

Often shippers remove the bridge and load it separately. Just depends on the boat. If you haven't checked with Joule, I would.

The question of how long you'll be there and where next arose. There are some in your situation who buy quality older boats, maintain them well, resell them for the next move and come out much better than transporting when it's the distance you're talking about.

Let's assume you're paying $75,000 (Don't know the price of your boat so just picking a number). $30,000 to move it just can't make financial sense. Too many boats where you're going. Now you have $105,000 in a boat that after brokers fees you could sell for $68,000. If you haven't completed the purchase, I'd just not do it. If that boat was already located in Rhode Island would you pay that extra $30,000? Just seems unlikely. In fact the East Coast market is often lower than California, just you don't see CHB's on the East Coast.

If you already owned the boat, I'd probably be advising to sell or at least strongly consider it. You're like military families with houses. Same situation except they can't move theirs so most rent.
 
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Thank you for all of your posts, it has given us a lot to think about and I've looked at some numbers to see if we are jumping in to buying a boat here in San Diego and then moving it cross country in a year is justified and makes sense. Interested to hear your thoughts and am grateful for your previous input.
Our rent is $2500 a month here, so $30,000 a year for a small house that we walk away from when we leave. Our added bills of cable, gas, electric, etc. are another $500 a month approximately, so another $6,000 a year. We do move every 2-3 years to rentals that we walk away from at the end without owning anything. The boat that we are buying, the slip at the marina, all estimated expenses, puts our monthly payments for loan and bills, if we liveaboard, which we plan, at about $1,500 less per month. That is a huge savings and we own something that we can take with us. The cost to ship it is $25,000 is a lot, but we are reimbursed a portion from the military because it will be the only thing we are moving. The savings that we have every month can go toward the balance of the shipping and then we have a home in RI when we get there and can continue to live at a lower expense.
Based on your advice, I've got bids out for cross country by land, captains to take her on her belly, and trailer transport to Houston and then we can take her on her own belly to RI. My father-in-law is a captain and is looking to help, but don't want to overburden him with a LONG trip from ocean to ocean.
Has anyone here moved a boat a distance?
 
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Thank you for all of your posts, it has given us a lot to think about and I've looked at some numbers to see if we are jumping in to buying a boat here in San Diego and then moving it cross country in a year is justified and makes sense. Interested to hear your thoughts and am grateful for your previous input.
Our rent is $2500 a month here, so $30,000 a year for a small house that we walk away from when we leave. Our added bills of cable, gas, electric, etc. are another $500 a month approximately, so another $6,000 a year. We do move every 2-3 years to rentals that we walk away from at the end without owning anything. The boat that we are buying, the slip at the marina, all estimated expenses, puts our monthly payments for loan and bills, if we liveaboard, which we plan, at about $1,500 less per month. That is a huge savings and we own something that we can take with us. The cost to ship it is $25,000 is a lot, but we are reimbursed a portion from the military because it will be the only thing we are moving. The savings that we have every month can go toward the balance of the shipping and then we have a home in RI when we get there and can continue to live at a lower expense.
Based on your advice, I've got bids out for cross country by land, captains to take her on her belly, and trailer transport to Houston and then we can take her on her own belly to RI. My father-in-law is a captain and is looking to help, but don't want to overburden him with a LONG trip from ocean to ocean.
Has anyone here moved a boat a distance?

Great analysis. Didn't realize how long you had left there before the move. Thought the move was soon, this summer.

Father-in-law changes things a bit as he could accompany delivery captains.

One more option to toss out to you. Move by ship. You would have to take it south and pick it up at one of their ports. But SevenStar would deliver from Ensenada to Palm Beach. Dockwise did go from Costa Rica to Rhode Island but I don't know now. That may be more expensive than land. At one time it was about the same.
 
Thanks BandB, forgot about that! Our broker has a quote request out with 7star. That may be our best way to go and father-in-law lives near Palm Beach.
 
Just a note it gets COLD and snows in Newport RI. Can you use the Navy's Marina? Most private marinas close for the winter
 
Thanks BandB, forgot about that! Our broker has a quote request out with 7star. That may be our best way to go and father-in-law lives near Palm Beach.

Hopefully it's reasonable. I got a quote from them recently that seemed excessive. Since their acquisition of Dockwise it seems their rates have risen a good bit. But then often brokers and builders can get rates negotiated a bit. I was quoted $105,000 on an 85' from Vancouver, BC to Palm Beach. I'm guessing you'll come in around $30,000 - $40,000. Will be interesting to see.
 
At the same price , or loads lower here in Fl , you might find a similar boat , or better with out the moving hassles .

Most boats are NOT set up for full time real winter liveaboard .

It will run between $4K and $10K to have a heating plant installed , and even then you will need a plan B for when the marina electric is down for a week or two.

Find a marina that will have liveaboards in the area you are transferring to FIRST!
 
We plan to liveaboard. My husband is in the Navy and in the same week we put an offer on the boat, he got verbal orders to Newport, Rhode Island for next summer!


You might benefit from reviewing northeast coast liveaboard threads here and on cruisersforum (sister site). Liveaboard-friendly marinas, winter-time pump-out (and/or sewage treatment capabilities), and heat would be big issues. Around here, I think most of the military marinas close for the winter. Are there are any NDZs in that neck of the woods? And so forth...

If existing posts don't answer everything, you could always start a new thread...

-Chris
 
Breaking down the boat to a "trailer able" height is a massive pain.... And expensive.
Only way to go is to SHIP it on a Yacht Transportation Boat. I have used Dockwise Yacht Transportation. They have a giant ship that lowers itself, you drive your boat on, and they set up bunks underneath your boat. They then raise the ship and your boat is high and dry. They will pick up the boat in
Ensenada.
Probably around $20k or so.
Taras
 
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